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Originally posted by cronodevir So? Someone else making money off work I already gave to people for free doesn't concern me. When I gave it out, its implied that one can do what ever he wants with it. He doesn't even have to credit me. But at the same time he shouldn't be allowed to prevent me from doing what I am doing.

But it doesn't work that way , because unlike you , he will take your idea and create a law called copyright law because he isn't a moron. But there are so many silly aspects to this story

i mean A : you come out with an idea ?
B : an idea someone would actually be interested in ?

And why won't you send me a link of your music even tho you mentioned you would to anyone that asked. I promise i won't be mean or send it to anyone. I just need to know.

Last edited by RichieV on Apr-28-2009 at 23:57

"take your idea and great a law called copyright law because he isn't a moron"

I have no clue what you just said.

Also you never asked my my stuff. [edit: just found your PM]

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create. I am usually doing some type of work and as a result my spelling is never good.

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Originally posted by Beatflux If it is not the same thing, then I don't understand you're original point. I don't see how the metaphor with a ferrari, a physical object, relates to the discussion.

It relates to that if you could copy a Ferrari, you would copy a Ferrari. But you cannot copy it, its impossible, so therefore you must buy it.

With software you can copy it, and therefore most people will copy it, and they are copying stuff all the time, simply because they CAN, and with a clear conscience, i mean all they did was copy something.. no one is loosing anything on that.

And this is how the average person thinks, luckily we have people who thinks differently and hence products are still supported.

If you remove the possibility of copying something in the software world, people will have to buy it. And those percentage that then buys it is bigger than the small percentage that has the option to buy it if they want.

It is how most people think, and that is why piracy is a problem.

Edit: Crono, Richie.. why dont the two of you get a room or something ?

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Well if copyright were banned, the person wouldn't be able to create laws out of thin air :P.

@richiev

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i'm the alchemist without the cyst without a doubt out of the mist
dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

they will attest my patients restorations from the best

i'm from the west i'm not an acmeist only the alchemist

Cronodevir - fine, I understand your viewpoint. But make sure you're giving far more than you're getting. If you're using pirated software which you believe should be free, spend the next few years of your life working on things will be just as beneficial to as many people - either software which thousands of users use every day and love, or music which many thousands of people (or millions of people) listen to again and again, for many years, or sonething else of great benefit to the world - and then don't accept any money for these years of hard work.

If you want to live in a world like the one you describe, at least make sure you're giving more than you're getting, that you're actually working towards making that world a reality.

p.s. in terms of music I'm talking about music that many people would actually pay for - the only way to know this in reality is to achieve high sales of one of your songs/albums, then provide all the songs and albums thereafter to the world for free. Otherwise you're just one of millions of artists (like myself, for most of my songs) putting out their songs for free.

There really needs to be a website that allows artists to sell their songs directly to people, but with a system of quality control which really works - people shouldn't have to trawl through heaps of stuff trying to find something which is decent, but the "good songs" also shouldn't be selected by an elite few, or simply based on mass popularity/ whoever has the most friends. Ideally it'd be a mix of professional reviews and popularity... If there's already a site like this, I'm happy for someone to let me know! I pretty much just buy the trancemaster CD each quarter currently...sometimes other compilations...

I get what you are saying, but the issue is there are too many artists.

Derail ever heard of bitorrent? You have to upload more than you have downloaded in order to get the complete file. In this way the whole community benefits

Anyways, derail, the issue with a website like you mentioned is the people. They want to throw music up somewhere without having to do the marketing or advertising, and see it sell. But it doesn't work that way.

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i'm the alchemist without the cyst without a doubt out of the mist
dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

they will attest my patients restorations from the best

i'm from the west i'm not an acmeist only the alchemist

Last edited by cronodevir on Apr-29-2009 at 00:23

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Originally posted by cronodevir Well if copyright were banned, the person wouldn't be able to create laws out of thin air :P. @richiev

i would amend the definition of patent
How would you support yourself to make this idea ?
Coyright was first introduced so people could actually make a living doing things that weren't so tangible. You probably wouldn't have most of the great music aroudn now.

Alot of the great music that exists was invented in a time when there was no copyright. Music has existed for waaaay longer than 200 or so years.

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i'm the alchemist without the cyst without a doubt out of the mist
dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

they will attest my patients restorations from the best

i'm from the west i'm not an acmeist only the alchemist

but they were published in a time when there was copright, and that is how you know of it now.

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Originally posted by cronodevir No they didn't. 4 is cracked. You just don't know where to find it Given time 5 will eventually be broken too.

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is just the end.

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Originally posted by RichieV but they were published in a time when there was copright, and that is how you know of it now.

So you are saying humanity only knows about works made before copyright, because someone copyrighted them when copyright came into existence. ...

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i'm the alchemist without the cyst without a doubt out of the mist
dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

they will attest my patients restorations from the best

i'm from the west i'm not an acmeist only the alchemist