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Originally posted by cronodevir Music is not complex, even Mozart, and its only the idiot that elevates his music to such a complex status. Someone who has no musical talent or ability would think ti was vastly complex. When it is at best average. People only think highly of it because it happened 200 or so years ago. There are classical musicians today who shit all over Mozart, but people don't give them the time of day.

I agree with your sentiment that too many producers make productions instead of music but your opinion of Mozart is not one shared by any good composer living or dead. Do you even know his music ?

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Originally posted by cronodevir Because making money off music is stupid, I would go out of my way to ensure others don't, if I could. That is why I don't try to join a label or some other nonsense. If you want money, go do something productive. Don't smear the music world with shit music because you want to make a hundred bucks. As far as my music goes..beats anything you could ever muster. No one is on an Ego trip, I'm just astounded at the patheticness of artists these days. People are struggling at stuff you shouldn't be struggling. If a fat kid is struggling to do an obstical course, you don't sympathize with the fat kid, you blame him for allowing himself to be so flawed as to not finish the course. People who struggle on elementary things like EQ, are not in the right mindset to even consider themselves an musician. The basics are, do you know what each knob on the EQ does? Boom, then you should be a master at EQing things the way you want. If after messing with EQ for a week or so you are still unable to get the result you want, then you are doing something wrong, and its no one elses fault.

Dude, I've been on this site for years, but just started a new account. I've been reading your posts recently and to be honest, you talk alot of shit. You say you aren't on some ego trip, but you act like the 'Einstein of EDM'. If you know so much about sound engineering then why not be of some help and get a job at mastering. If current tracks sound so bad to you, you can atleast make them sound somewhat better with your divine skills.

And don't give me that making money off music is stupid. It's smart. It allows you to concentrate more on what you do, and with the money you can buy better synths/effects or use that money to do something more useful if needed. So you're saying, people like Paul van dyk, Ferry Corsten, Tiesto...although commercial as they might sound, they are stupid? They are actually very smart, which is why they are successful now.

Don't act like you know everything. If you claim you don't have an ego, then atleast try to show that you're humble by admitting when you're wrong.

RichieV I know my opinion of Mozart is not shared. I also know that almost everyone I have met that thought highly of him, though highly of Tiesto or AVB when they heard those guys too. When someone critiques music, eventually there is a point where no artist becomes to high to be judged. Ive heard a lot of Mozart, and I find most of it to be erratic. You probably don't a agree, though I don't know. :P My comment before was not an insult [it didn't even sound like one...was it because I said 'ass'? Some people usually default to "he insulted someone" because that person used a swear word.] Mozart himself never said his stuff was overly complex. In fact most of it was simply the act of putting it out that was hard. He wasn't born knowing how to build an orchestra piece, but he did from a young age already have the music in his head. It was just there, he didn't have to wait until he was 23, learn how music works and try to pump out a song. So calling it complex or "above our heads" is laughable in the least. He isn't some high and mighty guy, we was just another musical composer, people like him so much because he is from 200 years ago, and they don't understand music and they hear his stuff, and think its the epitome of music..that's about it.

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Originally posted by cronodevir So calling it complex or "above our heads" is laughable in the least. He isn't some high and mighty guy, we was just another musical composer, people like him so much because he is from 200 years ago, and they don't understand music and they hear his stuff, and think its the epitome of music..that's about it.

he wasn't just "a" composer. He is still one of the most influential composers of all time. And I am almost certain it is at least above your head.

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If you know so much about sound engineering then why not be of some help and get a job at mastering. If current tracks sound so bad to you, you can atleast make them sound somewhat better with your divine skills./QUOTE]'t

He doesn't know anything about engineering, anyone who heard his free cd knows this.

Also, Mozart wasn't that complex, he was all about breaking the rules and not having to be complex to be good. Bach was more complex but his priorities were in complexity and not the emotional impact of the melodies, and he thought there were rules to music. Those were his downfalls.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Also, mozart wasn't that complex, he was all about breaking the rules and not having to be complex to be good. Bach was complex.

I think you have the wrong composer.

"Complex" does not mean "unemotional." Fuck, is Beethoven's Ninth "unemotional" to you?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "Complex" does not mean "unemotional." Fuck, is Beethoven's Ninth "unemotional" to you?

No, I don't mean to imply that. Beethoven is very emotional.. Not that that song is THAT complex anyway is it? Moonlight Sonata also.. simple yet awesome. Bach probably would of sneered at it and stuck his nose in the air.. Maybe not. That's what I've heard anyway.

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Bach is more complex in some ways because of his use of counterpoint. But Beethoven and later composers wrote a lot more instrumental lines within a single piece.

Have you heard the third movement of the Moonlight Sonata? Not all that simple...

Maybe this will help the debate...

Both sides really should start defining "complex" here, because you guys are debating ideas while using a word that is very subjective to music. Is complexity a universally known quantity or quality? Is complexity what you hear or the ideas and energy that the creator of the music incorporated into the music?

For one, and I've already mentioned this, I can find complexity in minimal techno in deep house and i'll throw in hip hop. The parameters for making music are vast, so what makes music complex to you guys? Do you guys all see complexity the same? I'm guessing no one here sees complexity the same.

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I don't know about sound engineering? Says the people who have to use synths with thousands of presets because they can't program a synth themselves.

Music is not complex. Difficulty is itself a product of your own view of yourself and your ability. As is quality. Remember back in the day, when most of you knew shit about music? Everything sounded good, and when you made your first songs, you likely enjoyed them, and making them more than you do now... Why do you not enjoy it so much now or why doesn't it have that spark it had when you first started? Because you have matured enough to realize that what you did then wasn't all that good. If you look at something and think "its above me" or you can't match it, then that is the truth. You won't be able to.

If you look up to mediocrity, than you are defining your end-goal at mediocrity.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Music is not complex.

Then why do you suck so much at it?

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