Of course I dance. If I'm clubbing, that's the whole bloody point of going clubbing.

If it's just a regular night out then more of than not I'll dance and hang around during the night. Dance when the music is good and hang around chatting to people. Usually ends up being a great night.

Fucking lol at Slylee too. You say some weird stuff sometimes

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Originally posted by nefardec those parties where everyone dances because they think they should and they are a little tispy (most nightclub experiences). You end up with a lot of people awkwardly moving in tight social circles and drinking to lose their self-conscious behavior ... The other thing to consider is at some especially 'sceney' parties, most people are there just to hang out with acquaintances and mutually support each other's insecurities. (the insecurities that cause people to become sceney in the first place) I can't stand that shit.

I analyze social situations to no end and I have no clue what you mean by either of these two instances.


The first instance you describe, I can only imagine at a high school dance. How old are you? lol
and how old are the people you party with?


As for the second instance- some people love to hang out with their friends while listening to great music. Does it annoy you that the focus of the night out is being placed on social interaction rather than on the appreciation of the music? I suppose that's understandable if you're passionate enough about the act that night... and you feel that the audience should appreciate the music more. There's really nothing you can do about that though. There is little that beats a night out with good friends and great music.

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Originally posted by Slylee oh well, different strokes different vaginas

Some dance to remember ~ Some dance to forget

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Originally posted by Ania_xox The first instance you describe, I can only imagine at a high school dance. How old are you? lol and how old are the people you party with? As for the second instance- some people love to hang out with their friends while listening to great music. Does it annoy you that the focus of the night out is being placed on social interaction rather than on the appreciation of the music? I suppose that's understandable if you're passionate enough about the act that night... and you feel that the audience should appreciate the music more. There's really nothing you can do about that though. There is little that beats a night out with good friends and great music.

these people are in their late twenties and early thirties. i'm not going to name names though. it's not everyone.

some people never grow up i guess


i have no problem with social interaction lol, not sure where you got that. I thought I said pretty clearly that if I don't like the music I hang out with my friends. and i never go to see 'acts'. can't stand that shit. i like to see deejays and musicians pouring their soul out, not a style or marketing image.

when the music is really good and people are all letting go and feeling it, social interaction is everywhere, it's not just with your group of friends - it's a feeling of mutually shared experience, interconnectedness. you can smile at a stranger and have that stranger smile back because you really understand what they are feeling, etc. bring... down... the walls

That said, if I go somewhere to hear music, I go there expecting to hear music. If I want to hang out with friends and listen to music I'd rather hang out at one of our places and throw some stuff on the decks or the stereo, where we can actually hear each other talking.

Last edited by nefardec on May-24-2009 at 00:41

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Originally posted by nefardec maybe i can help you understand one perspective- not everyone is a gung-ho consumer of the nightclub product. personally, i don't dance unless i am MOVED to dance. If it sucks but I'm there with friends, I'd rather hang out with friends and hope it gets better. I resent the idea that you need to dance if you are at a nightclub, just because everyone else is or because you are in an environment conditions one to dance. Those are the worst parties, those parties where everyone dances because they think they should and they are a little tispy (most nightclub experiences). You end up with a lot of people awkwardly moving in tight social circles and drinking to lose their self-conscious behavior. There are always those people, of course, who just like to dance alone regardless, whether for escapist reasons, exhibitionist reasons, or health, or whatever. Personally, my take on it is if the music moves me, i won't be able to help myself from dancing. If I am in a crowd where most people can't help themselves from dancing, it feels fucking awesome. You feed off people's energy, feel interconnected, etc. There's no need to get fucked up, no need to cluster awkwardly. I prefer to be in such an environment where everybody loses their shit. That said, if I'm NOT feeling it, I don't dance. First reason is I don't feel you should give the DJ the wrong impression if you think the music sucks. If you think the music sucks, don't dance. If the DJ changes things up and you like it, show him/her you appreciate it by dancing. A lot of people just dancing to mediocre music because they think they have to just leads to a mediocre experience for everyone. So like I said, if I'm not on the floor losing my shit, I am probably away from the loud noise, talking with friends and/or watching people awkwardly cluster on the floor or watching some manipulative douchebag work a slut, or I'll just leave and do something else. The other thing to consider is at some especially 'sceney' parties, most people are there just to hang out with acquaintances and mutually support each other's insecurities. (the insecurities that cause people to become sceney in the first place) I can't stand that shit. also, i can't stand the concept of 'the show' in dance music. it doesn't belong there. once i had to deejay such a 'show' for like 700 people, where i was on a stage, and i just felt like a huge doofus. That's what I can't stand about DJs at music festivals, eg DEMF. I'll be happy to see a live show on a stage, but I don't want to see a guy playing records, wtf. Also it's just harder to connect as a DJ in such environments if you're not superfamous or playing for a 'best hits' crowd like tiesto at UMF or something. /negativity

Great post. I agree with everything you said there (nice for a change, eh?) Sadly, most people don't understand this train of thought; they can't comprehend the idea of losing yourself in the music and that interconnected feeling you describe (fuck I love that feeling). I think this because some people just don't feel a strong connection to music in the first place.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Great post. I agree with everything you said there (nice for a change, eh?) Sadly, most people don't understand this train of thought; they can't comprehend the idea of losing yourself in the music and that interconnected feeling you describe (fuck I love that feeling). I think this because some people just don't feel a strong connection to music in the first place.

haha, yes - i saw that you had replied and i expected another back and forth

that's cool then, because this matters much more to me than anything else we may have disagreed with.

That was a good post, and I agree with it as well. Let's all dance together in a circle of oneness and joy. PLUR!

the only song to have ever made me feel this "interconnected" feeling with strangers at a club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3MD...feature=related

In Germany about 2 years ago at a club in Manheim called Halle 02
Local dj was spinning a really dark set... about 3 hours into it he dropped this bomb

I swear it was like the sun dawning in the Lion King
I've never felt a gayer connection with music and everyone surrounding me in my life

was quite amazing actually

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Originally posted by Slylee oh well, different strokes different vaginas

Some dance to remember ~ Some dance to forget

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Originally posted by Ania_xox I've never felt a gayer connection with music and everyone surrounding me in my life

A "gayer" connection? What does that even mean?

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Originally posted by nefardec maybe i can help you understand one perspective- not everyone is a gung-ho consumer of the nightclub product. personally, i don't dance unless i am MOVED to dance. If it sucks but I'm there with friends, I'd rather hang out with friends and hope it gets better. I resent the idea that you need to dance if you are at a nightclub, just because everyone else is or because you are in an environment conditions one to dance. Those are the worst parties, those parties where everyone dances because they think they should and they are a little tispy (most nightclub experiences). You end up with a lot of people awkwardly moving in tight social circles and drinking to lose their self-conscious behavior. There are always those people, of course, who just like to dance alone regardless, whether for escapist reasons, exhibitionist reasons, or health, or whatever. Personally, my take on it is if the music moves me, i won't be able to help myself from dancing. If I am in a crowd where most people can't help themselves from dancing, it feels fucking awesome. You feed off people's energy, feel interconnected, etc. There's no need to get fucked up, no need to cluster awkwardly. I prefer to be in such an environment where everybody loses their shit. That said, if I'm NOT feeling it, I don't dance. First reason is I don't feel you should give the DJ the wrong impression if you think the music sucks. If you think the music sucks, don't dance. If the DJ changes things up and you like it, show him/her you appreciate it by dancing. A lot of people just dancing to mediocre music because they think they have to just leads to a mediocre experience for everyone. So like I said, if I'm not on the floor losing my shit, I am probably away from the loud noise, talking with friends and/or watching people awkwardly cluster on the floor or watching some manipulative douchebag work a slut, or I'll just leave and do something else. The other thing to consider is at some especially 'sceney' parties, most people are there just to hang out with acquaintances and mutually support each other's insecurities. (the insecurities that cause people to become sceney in the first place) I can't stand that shit. also, i can't stand the concept of 'the show' in dance music. it doesn't belong there. once i had to deejay such a 'show' for like 700 people, where i was on a stage, and i just felt like a huge doofus. That's what I can't stand about DJs at music festivals, eg DEMF. I'll be happy to see a live show on a stage, but I don't want to see a guy playing records, wtf. Also it's just harder to connect as a DJ in such environments if you're not superfamous or playing for a 'best hits' crowd like tiesto at UMF or something. /negativity

ugh, ok?

You misunderstood me I guess (or I suppose I didn't make how I viewed the subject clear, wasn't expecting to have a novel written about my post), I agree with everything you said. I did not mean people HAVE to dance, you put everything far more succinctly than I ever could.

I think you also are assuming certain things about how I view the "nightclub product". Did I make it seem like I was some cunty idiot just lolling about to everything being played at a party? :P

I guess I should think a little more before I post.

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Originally posted by nefardec That said, if I'm NOT feeling it, I don't dance. First reason is I don't feel you should give the DJ the wrong impression if you think the music sucks. If you think the music sucks, don't dance. If the DJ changes things up and you like it, show him/her you appreciate it by dancing. A lot of people just dancing to mediocre music because they think they have to just leads to a mediocre experience for everyone.

so true.

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Originally posted by enydo ugh, ok? You misunderstood me I guess (or I suppose I didn't make how I viewed the subject clear, wasn't expecting to have a novel written about my post), I agree with everything you said. I did not mean people HAVE to dance, you put everything far more succinctly than I ever could. I think you also are assuming certain things about how I view the "nightclub product". Did I make it seem like I was some cunty idiot just lolling about to everything being played at a party? :P

no, you just said you didn't understand why people might not dance, so I gave some possible reasons coming from my own experience.

Nefardec, you make me feel like a retard.

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Originally posted by nefardec also, that was hardly a novel

... yeah I know. Chalk it up to failed attempt at humor.