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Originally posted by DigiNut The point is that (a) the cop has to actually be able to see evidence of illegal activity, not just suspect it, and (b) you either have to consent to the search, or they need to have probable cause.

Unfortunately, what police officers are supposed to do and what they do in practice are not always the same. But this isn't news to anybody...

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Originally posted by MarkT good example was the lesbian moms who were based outside a school by the father of another kid. I forget the details, but he tore into one/both of them. amazingly enough, I don't believe that he was charged under hate crime legislation (so that shows you how extreme the case may have to be for successful prosecution)

he fucking punched her in the face and spat at her!

I remember that, unbelievable!

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You should all become aware of bill C-6 which is a repackaged Bill C-52. If this bill is given royal assent we are all screwed. You can forget about your rights. This bill is so well thought out that inspectors will have super powers beyond anything we've ever seen.

>>NOTE: Sorry for the long post but I just couldn't edit it any further<<

Bill C-6 is being promoted as necessary to protect our families. However, under the existing law the State can already:
o ban or restrict any consumer product under threat of million dollar fines and two year jail sentences under the Hazardous Products Act;

o make immediate orders banning or restricting any consumer product if there is a significant risk to health or safety. In addition to fines and imprisonment for non-compliance, the State can apply to the Court for an injunction which brings police enforcement of the order, and

o prosecute for criminal negligence or homicide under the Criminal Code. In some cases this can result in penalties of life imprisonment.

The real change brought about by Bill C-6 is not that it protects consumers, as the current law already grants the State significant powers to protect safety. Rather the real change is the abolition of procedural safeguards citizens currently enjoy.

Bill C-6 abolishes the law of trespass thus allowing the State access onto private property without any legal recourse.

Bill C-6 for the first time in Canadian history allows warrants to be issued to search private homes without evidence of criminal wrong doing.

Bill C-6 allows the State to seize property without a Court order, without reporting the seizure to a Court, and for an indefinite period.

Bill C-6 allows the State to assume control over the movement of private property without a Court order and without a safety concern.

The search and seizure powers in Bill C-6 are probably unconstitutional for violating the right found in section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to be free from unreasonable search and seizure.

Persons can be fined and have property forfeited to the State for administrative violations. Persons so charged have no right to have a Court determine their guilt or innocence. Guilt is determined by the Minister. There is no defence of due diligence or of honest but mistaken belief. There does not have to be a safety risk to be charged with an administrative offence. The Minister who determines your guilt or innocence can keep seized property if he/she finds you guilty.

All businesses manufacturing, selling or distributing consumer products are saddled with additional red tape and expense regardless of whether or not there is a safety concern.

Retailers and distributors of consumer products become liable for product labelling and instructions.

Some consumer products such as sporting goods may have to be removed from the market for violating the safety provisions of the Bill.

The Provinces are allowing the Federal Government to regulate in the Provincial area of property and civil rights.

The federal cabinet can incorporate documents from foreign governments or organizations as law by referring to them in regulations. This will remove Parliamentary scrutiny on issues that could fundamentally change the ground rules for the consumer product industry. If foods and Natural Health Products were added to the ambit of the Bill by amending Schedule 1, this would allow for the implementation of foreign standards such as CODEX by passing a regulation.

When Codex is in, this is how it will be:
Plants, natural herbs, vitamins, vegetation(Per Codex Harmonization: requires all to be genetically modified after Dec. 2009) and meat thereof >meat/poulty/fish< (per Codex: requires chemical alteration for our safety...Cattle to be Bovine Injected, which has been illegal for years)and other Consumer Products will be considered illegal and subject to confiscation, penalty and incarneration.

Oh and your Rights to Privacy. Forget that. The Genome Project is protected under Codex Alimentarius which may attach itself to Bill C-6. When Codex comes into effect world wide on December 31, 2009 that means that your privacy and security is gone too.

Hypothetical Scenario I:
Your growing a mint plant in your home for cooking...it is classified as an illegal substance per Codex. This gives an inspector the right to enter with no warrant. Seize your home, incarcerate you etc. etc.

Hypothetical Scenario II:
Most know insurance companies have been patenting human dna/gene codes (eg. Newfoundlanders human genome project) and let's say your company hires a U.S. based Insurance firm that insist on a private blood screening for coverage. If tests reveals your dna/human genome shows a flaw in your health a few years ahead from now, it can be used as the deciding factor if you are worth keeping as an employee. Let's not forget that a corporation is there for the interest of it's employees. If it's discovered than an employee may develop an ailment 6yrs from now, they would work hard to ensure that insurance covers them and that they have a stable job...No? BTW since Canada has no reciprocity with the U.S. or some other countries...and if our privacy is invaded we have no recourse because Bill C-6 protects Codex who protects the human genome patenting.

Now what do you think of this Bill C-6

Many people are opposed to it...including the Marijuana Party of Canada.

If your interested: Stop Bill C-6 the Petition Site

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Last edited by b4k-oz on Jun-11-2009 at 19:04

Codex will actually become an International health regulation supported by the UN, especially after outbreaks such as swine flu. The deaths in 3rd world countries because of these regulations are expected to be in the billions.

Rockefeller speaks of population control during the U.N. Ambassadors dinner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keLC-_4C5RM

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidentsÉto attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller

These agendas are directly tied together.

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^^ I'm speehless.

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Tell me about it. I have been attacked verbally countless times for proposing ideas like this. Its not a conspiracy "theory" anymore, this is our reality.

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Originally posted by shevchenko135 Tell me about it. I have been attacked verbally countless times for proposing ideas like this. Its not a conspiracy "theory" anymore, this is our reality.

It is sad. I don't believe it's a conspiracy when the written laws and facts keep coming up. How can you deny that Codex will happen? A date has been set. Canada has agreed to abide by these rules. Sanctions will occur if countries don't abide by Codex. Yet people still ignorantly choose to not acknowledge what's going on...they treat the matter as if it's not real and will go away on it's own.

Bill C-52 was real till it got killed by people that spoke up. Now C-6 is coming up and it's up to those of us who have the backbone to make others aware. It's detrimental to Canadian's and people need to know or else fortfeit the right to complain later.

I'll probably get a lot of back talk from the Far Right or the Far Left wingers in here.

To those I shall offer my kind rebuttel by quoting my fav comedian:
"...if you find yourself too far to the Far Right or Far Left of Politics...then, you've gone too far!

Cuz that's where you'll find the extremest whacko's ...
If you run to the Far Right side, there they are...there's your right wing crew, a bunch of; money grubbing, green-house gasing, seal clubbing, oil drilling, bible thumping, missile firing, right to life'ing, lethal injecting hypocrites. People who's idea of a good time is strapping a dead panda to the front of a lincoln navigator and running over everyone in a gay parade.

If you've run to the Far Left side, there they are...the looney lefty liberal people. Yes there's the crew...a bunch of bong smoking, america bashing, flag burning, yoga posing, incense burning, dolphin saving, salmon eating hypocrites...there they are...there's the crew...these are the sensitive liberal people who are always yelling about everyone's freedom of speech and expression. Unless you happen to say something that pisses-them-off and then they can't wait to tie your ass to the back bumper of their toyota hybrid and drag you to the Birkely Campus and drop your carcass in front of the Fidel Castro Bldg for the continuing study of why America Sucks!"
(For some...I suppose the word America gets replaced with ?).

The only place that makes sense to be, I think, is to be in the middle.

Yeah, a bunch of flip flopping, fence sitting, half-in, half-out, half-assed, non-voting so they can b*tch no matter who wins

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I totally agree with you. People get so caught up in their side of the political spectrum that they totally disregard the opinions of others because they're ego's are so out of wack that they can't help but disregard and negatively criticize any information that doesn't support what they believe in. Whether your a lefty or a Righty all this shit is affecting us as a whole and you have to consider that. Democracy isn't about either being on the 51% majority or the 49% minority and sticking to it. It's about finding a middle ground that best suits the lives of every single person that has to live within the system.

And whatever you do believe in, I don't think anyone want's they're food supply tampered with or they're homes taken away for growing organic tomatoes. What will all the old Europeans have to do with their spare time!

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Originally posted by shevchenko135 ...What will all the old Europeans have to do with their spare time!

True dat!

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Originally posted by b4k-oz You should all become aware of bill C-6 which is a repackaged Bill C-52. If this bill is given royal assent we are all screwed. You can forget about your rights. This bill is so well thought out that inspectors will have super powers beyond anything we've ever seen. >>NOTE: Sorry for the long post but I just couldn't edit it any further<< Bill C-6 is being promoted as necessary to protect our families. However, under the existing law the State can already: o ban or restrict any consumer product under threat of million dollar fines and two year jail sentences under the Hazardous Products Act; o make immediate orders banning or restricting any consumer product if there is a significant risk to health or safety. In addition to fines and imprisonment for non-compliance, the State can apply to the Court for an injunction which brings police enforcement of the order, and o prosecute for criminal negligence or homicide under the Criminal Code. In some cases this can result in penalties of life imprisonment. The real change brought about by Bill C-6 is not that it protects consumers, as the current law already grants the State significant powers to protect safety. Rather the real change is the abolition of procedural safeguards citizens currently enjoy. Bill C-6 abolishes the law of trespass thus allowing the State access onto private property without any legal recourse. Bill C-6 for the first time in Canadian history allows warrants to be issued to search private homes without evidence of criminal wrong doing. Bill C-6 allows the State to seize property without a Court order, without reporting the seizure to a Court, and for an indefinite period. Bill C-6 allows the State to assume control over the movement of private property without a Court order and without a safety concern. The search and seizure powers in Bill C-6 are probably unconstitutional for violating the right found in section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. Persons can be fined and have property forfeited to the State for administrative violations. Persons so charged have no right to have a Court determine their guilt or innocence. Guilt is determined by the Minister. There is no defence of due diligence or of honest but mistaken belief. There does not have to be a safety risk to be charged with an administrative offence. The Minister who determines your guilt or innocence can keep seized property if he/she finds you guilty. All businesses manufacturing, selling or distributing consumer products are saddled with additional red tape and expense regardless of whether or not there is a safety concern. Retailers and distributors of consumer products become liable for product labelling and instructions. Some consumer products such as sporting goods may have to be removed from the market for violating the safety provisions of the Bill. The Provinces are allowing the Federal Government to regulate in the Provincial area of property and civil rights. The federal cabinet can incorporate documents from foreign governments or organizations as law by referring to them in regulations. This will remove Parliamentary scrutiny on issues that could fundamentally change the ground rules for the consumer product industry. If foods and Natural Health Products were added to the ambit of the Bill by amending Schedule 1, this would allow for the implementation of foreign standards such as CODEX by passing a regulation. When Codex is in, this is how it will be: Plants, natural herbs, vitamins, vegetation(Per Codex Harmonization: requires all to be genetically modified after Dec. 2009) and meat thereof >meat/poulty/fish< (per Codex: requires chemical alteration for our safety...Cattle to be Bovine Injected, which has been illegal for years)and other Consumer Products will be considered illegal and subject to confiscation, penalty and incarneration. Oh and your Rights to Privacy. Forget that. The Genome Project is protected under Codex Alimentarius which may attach itself to Bill C-6. When Codex comes into effect world wide on December 31, 2009 that means that your privacy and security is gone too. Hypothetical Scenario I: Your growing a mint plant in your home for cooking...it is classified as an illegal substance per Codex. This gives an inspector the right to enter with no warrant. Seize your home, incarcerate you etc. etc. Hypothetical Scenario II: Most know insurance companies have been patenting human dna/gene codes (eg. Newfoundlanders human genome project) and let's say your company hires a U.S. based Insurance firm that insist on a private blood screening for coverage. If tests reveals your dna/human genome shows a flaw in your health a few years ahead from now, it can be used as the deciding factor if you are worth keeping as an employee. Let's not forget that a corporation is there for the interest of it's employees. If it's discovered than an employee may develop an ailment 6yrs from now, they would work hard to ensure that insurance covers them and that they have a stable job...No? BTW since Canada has no reciprocity with the U.S. or some other countries...and if our privacy is invaded we have no recourse because Bill C-6 protects Codex who protects the human genome patenting. Now what do you think of this Bill C-6 Many people are opposed to it...including the Marijuana Party of Canada. If your interested: Stop Bill C-6 the Petition Site

you really didnt see this coming?

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty you really didnt see this coming?

Ahem...what makes you say this? I don't see anyone else posting info of this bill.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz Ahem...what makes you say this? I don't see anyone else posting info of this bill.

im not talking about that bill, im talking about our society. you think anybody gives two flying fucks about you or me??? "ooooh, freedom of speech" and all that bullshit.... fuck..... ugh.

all im gonna say is this: only difference between the world i grew up in (communism) and this ("democracy") is the thin veil of lies over your eyes. that sweet, enchanting voice of "reason" telling you "no need to worry, today is just like yesterday and tomorrow will be the same".

you really think

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o ban or restrict any consumer product under threat of million dollar fines and two year jail sentences under the Hazardous Products Act; o make immediate orders banning or restricting any consumer product if there is a significant risk to health or safety. In addition to fines and imprisonment for non-compliance, the State can apply to the Court for an injunction which brings police enforcement of the order, and o prosecute for criminal negligence or homicide under the Criminal Code. In some cases this can result in penalties of life imprisonment.

and

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Bill C-6 abolishes the law of trespass thus allowing the State access onto private property without any legal recourse. Bill C-6 for the first time in Canadian history allows warrants to be issued to search private homes without evidence of criminal wrong doing. Bill C-6 allows the State to seize property without a Court order, without reporting the seizure to a Court, and for an indefinite period. Bill C-6 allows the State to assume control over the movement of private property without a Court order and without a safety concern.

is actually news?

wake up pat, wake up and open your eyes to the reality that is quite different from what you, me and everybody else thinks is like

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