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Originally posted by Energy_3 Its funny you mention him i was in a shop the other day and their was a poster of him - and i stopped and pondered - what a shame! such a good actor, well i thought so. yes very true, but remember, i mean this is being finical very finical lol. I mean even if one begins from some previous done over, again and again material. we must remember their reflection/perception is somewhat different to the original once proclaimed. Therefore, the persons own twist to the [done over] if we call it that will be re applied/applied to that which cometh before it. however, and i agree with you [even though you haven't said this] this change is always slight baring in mind that the basic principles to which the new evolved still lye in clear resolution to the former - [the done over]. And yes " step outside your square " Man i love good conversation!

Actually, I agree with you 100%, because I have argued that idea of artists reinterpreting an idea that has already been used, yet changing it through their own nuances and their own ways of doing ideas of the past. Carnatic music often is based on an artists own interpretation of RAAGas, that are hundreds of years old, yet the interest is there as if they were new pieces of music because each artist has their own interpretation and their own nuances they add to the music.

So yes I agree, nothing wrong with reusing centuries old music theory principles. But beyond adding nuance and subtle deviations from music theory confined rules, I think another way to make interesting electronic music would be something more experimental and avoiding music theory. Perhaps replace it with emotions (feeling out melodies and chords), or senses, or maybe drawing imagery...ie make music to draw an image and when drawing that image is achieved, you end up with a great piece of music.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 i know what you mean. Boggles my mind that someone would ask "how does Philosophy or Psychology improve Music Creation" Its like how the hell does it not? Legos...take one thing and apply it somewhere else, it might not be the same color, but it can be used to build something with. And reason why I value Philosophy and Psychology over Music Theory is because I think you can make something more amazing by having an abstract or out the box philosophy and psychological purpose. In comparison to someone who is following a music theory book or knowledge that has been done over and over again, and confines artist into a chastity belt. Thats why I say, dont follow hardcore Music Theory, perhaps create your own theories, use the different dynamics of life and music, make mistakes and try things out. Watched Bruce Lee "Legacy Of The Dragon" the other night, goes a bit into his philosophies.

"make mistakes and try things out."

Yet you resist the idea of learning music theory. There's no one breathing down your neck forcing you to use it once you learn it.

Is your music so different you can really say that you are different from convention?

How can you break away from convention, if you don't even know what it is? Wouldn't it be valuable in that regard, so you can live up to your vision of being a contrarian(as chrono likes to put it)?

Bruce Lee wasn't a great fighter because he thought he was water, it's because he appreciated the idea that there is no one style of fighting that can be useful in all situations. This isn't actually a new idea, but the traditional forms of fighting were slotted into particular styles and people opted for one or the other.

Like any other master, he studied anything that had to do with fighting and was dedicated to making his body a weapon. Just to give you an idea of his mindset, he build his own machine to work out his forearms and could squeeze 80 pounds of resistance. He did this to make his punches more powerful. He didn't punch like a typical boxer, his punches were vertical and at the end of the movement he would jerk his fist upward to inflict more damage.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I value Philosophy and Psychology over Music Theory

So... what, you're retarded?

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Actually, let me word that differently.

YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Actually, I agree with you 100%, because I have argued that idea of artists reinterpreting an idea that has already been used, yet changing it through their own nuances and their own ways of doing ideas of the past. Carnatic music often is based on an artists own interpretation of RAAGas, that are hundreds of years old, yet the interest is there as if they were new pieces of music because each artist has their own interpretation and their own nuances they add to the music. So yes I agree, nothing wrong with reusing centuries old music theory principles. But beyond adding nuance and subtle deviations from music theory confined rules, I think another way to make interesting electronic music would be something more experimental and avoiding music theory. Perhaps replace it with emotions (feeling out melodies and chords), or senses, or maybe drawing imagery...ie make music to draw an image and when drawing that image is achieved, you end up with a great piece of music.

yah indeed - so we end up at intuitive feelings of creativity unrefined by general laws and principles which, i think is perhaps one of the best approaches to it [this is for someone who has had no theory whatsoever]. However, i will add that, in most cases like you say a pre ordained set of rules can benefit someone also - again this would be a case by case scenario.

Go Bruce Lee! im going to get a movie of his now!

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Originally posted by Energy_3 yah indeed - so we end up at intuitive feelings of creativity unrefined by general laws and principles which, i think is perhaps one of the best approaches to it [this is for someone who has had no theory whatsoever]. However, i will add that, in most cases like you say a pre ordained set of rules can benefit someone also - again this would be a case by case scenario. Go Bruce Lee! im going to get a movie of his now!

Yah I guess its about avoiding limitations.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Yah I guess its about avoiding limitations.

exactly...!

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Business, visual art, engineering, investing, cooking, music theory, architecture, and so on and so forth: every craft has a similar learning curve. There is theory and there is practice. Practice does not always follow the theory, and some people may be able to get by on experience alone, but for the majority of people, learning the theory is a crucial stage of development.

The purpose of learning rules and guidelines (let's call them "best practices") in a craft is not to follow them blindly. The purpose is to learn where and how they are applied, so you can decide for yourself whether or not they are appropriate in any given context. In most cases they are, in many cases they aren't. The other purpose is to provide a coherent system for disseminating information so that experts can communicate with each other.

If you do not understand that, it's a shame. If you're willing to rant and rave against it without knowing the first thing about it, it's crass and callow hubris.

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Don't really know what you're problem is Kismet7. In my post I asked for help on two different things (TASKS). I did not ask for your opinion as to how they relate to my ability to make 'good music' or electronic music - I asked questions related to tasks, period. (Both of which you did not answer with your double digit replies)

I don't really care if you think a psychology class is more important than a music theory class (and I suspect others do not either). Not only does nobody care, but it doesn't have anything to do with the original post!

Could you please stay out of my threads unless you plan to actually discuss the topic at hand (in a mature way)? If you and some others keep starting shit for no reason I swear by everything holy I will pay big money to have this forum moderated and you shit fucks IP banned for life in a jiffy.

Thanks to those who have tried their best to stay on topic. I know it's hard to ignore idiots who assume way too much and know way too little, but restraint and ignoring them is the best way to condition them to STFU and stay on topic.

Stephen I believe you are just thinking about it too much. Remember music is about feeling.

Dont think it, feel it.

EDIT: although basic music theory is encouraged

If doing melodic, I usually pick a (minor) scale and go over the scale over and over until im familiar with the keys then play until i hear something i feel works. then i open the DAW and go to town.

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No I'm not thinking about it too much. I just want some suggestions on two handed playing along with any tips and tricks some may have for two handed playing and arrangement of music. I don't really give a shit if you, or anyone else, thinks my requests are a waste of time for dance music. That's not what I asked. Maybe the two handed practice is for something else?

No reason for this thread to turn into what it has. I asked a few straight forward questions that are not rocket science to answer and some ass hat decided that he could read my mind and turned it into a self-serving pissing contest.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley No I'm not thinking about it too much. I just want some suggestions on two handed playing along with any tips and tricks some may have for two handed playing and arrangement of music. I don't really give a shit if you, or anyone else, thinks my requests are a waste of time for dance music. That's not what I asked. Maybe the two handed practice is for something else? No reason for this thread to turn into what it has. I asked a few straight forward questions that are not rocket science to answer and some ass hat decided that he could read my mind and turned it into a self-serving pissing contest.

Whoa there buddy I'm not against you here I jsut thought you wanted help writing chords and melodies. I guess I didnt understand the OP right

Sorry if you felt like I'm attacking you, I'm not. I am pist off at Kismet7, not you. I appreciate your efforts to help me.