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Originally posted by derail You're spoiling my fun! Obviously I don't mean the things I say. According to my rules, there would be no music! I'm just having a conversation with Owien, and I want to see what he says next. If Owien really required that no-one ever used samples or samplers, a lot of his favourite songs wouldn't exist. He seems to believe that his personal viewpoint is the "correct" viewpoint and other people are "lazy" if they don't share his viewpoint. I just wanted to explore his point of view further a bit. I wanted him to post examples of his songs, so he could prove that his songs sound much better than songs made by the hundreds of professional trance producers who use sample packs.

well like i said before i must be the lucky one because i can make what ever i need for my tunes.
this doesn't make me an elitest no but in the end i am a better producer for it.


and i'm sorry but you have taken my points out of context.

yes i am a creative producer and yes i like to know my work is my own and no i dont see why people would be happy with using sounds from other places.

i have many projects witch has not come to life this is just a matter of time and more hard work.

and no one here has really proven using key sample packs makes for great tunes.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 And does he stand out anymore for doing that? Not one bit. Everything done in music is strictly personal preference and trying to force your opinions on others especially in relation to production is just showing how much of a clown you are.

witch is why he is seen as one of the best producers in the game. only my point of view of course.and why would i want people to come round a like my personal preffrances i just thought being orignal was something we all were after. so i guess that makes you the clown here not me a!

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Originally posted by owien yes i am a creative producer and yes i like to know my work is my own and no i dont see why people would be happy with using sounds from other places.

Like from the Roland 909 that had a crucial impact on earlier M.I.K.E productions ? and for the record, MIKE uses vengeance samples too.

If you mean loops and stuff then i can definitely see why you would make ur own.

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Originally posted by owien this doesn't make me an elitest no but in the end i am a better producer for it.

If you can make ALL your own sounds, and make them good, then yes it makes you a better producer but doesnt necessarily mean you will make better tracks

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Originally posted by owien yes i am a creative producer and yes i like to know my work is my own and no i dont see why people would be happy with using sounds from other places.

There is no right or wrong but for many of us, myself included, we feel it is pointless in creating drum samples from scratch when there are so many out there ready to use. Individual one shots do not make a good track, or even a good drum loop but using the right ones in the right pattern with the right FX will make a good loop which will contribute to a good track. The individual samples aren't important and if I made my own, they would only sound like countless others made by others so there would be nothing unique or creative about it. That said, if you enjoy making your own, then cool, whatever gets the job done in the end.

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Originally posted by owien no one here has really proven using key sample packs makes for great tunes.

Yes and no one has proved that making your own samples from scratch leads to a better tune either. MIKE has made so fantastic tunes in his time, no question. But so have many other top producers who DO use sample packs. Its merely a different way of working but the end result could be good or bad whatever method you use.

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Originally posted by Subtle Like from the Roland 909 that had a crucial impact on earlier M.I.K.E productions ? and for the record, MIKE uses vengeance samples too. If you mean loops and stuff then i can definitely see why you would make ur own.

yes in places but 90% of his work was built from scratch.

and yes i do meen loops,bassline leads,fx should be best done by yourself.

because i dont see how building a track made up off sample packs is just not being anything more then pointless.

i guess i'm coming across as rude but i just dont get it.

it must be that i like to know every track i make is something witch will last and would want people and myself included to play over and over.

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Originally posted by owien yes in places but 90% of his work was built from scratch. and yes i do meen loops,bassline leads,fx should be best done by yourself. because i dont see how building a track made up off sample packs is just not being anything more then pointless. i guess i'm coming across as rude but i just dont get it. it must be that i like to know every track i make is something witch will last and would want people and myself included to play over and over.

I can see that view, but drums ? that seems like a total waste of time to me, thats like making your own pencil for drawing.

Good samples can give you a huge advantage and time better spent on other parts of the track, when you make everything from scratch you are copying someone else anyways in your head.. which you then depending on your skill of course will end up spending time making a worse copy of something that you could have imported with a single click.

I understand the do it all yourself thing, but first things first, the most important thing in music is composing and mixing, this is what the most time and energy is going to, and it NEVER ends.
If you at the same time should be making every single sound from scratch at the same time.. then the progress of making music will go slowly.

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Owien - Would you care to post some of your music? I don't believe I have ever met somebody so adamant about synthesizing every single sound they use. I'm not saying others do not synthesize everything, but you seem to be extremely anal about it. Would like to hear your music if you don't mind.

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Originally posted by StephenWiley Owien - Would you care to post some of your music? I don't believe I have ever met somebody so adamant about synthesizing every single sound they use. I'm not saying others do not synthesize everything, but you seem to be extremely anal about it. Would like to hear your music if you don't mind.

give me a good reason why i would not be so anal.

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Originally posted by owien witch is why he is seen as one of the best producers in the game. only my point of view of course.and why would i want people to come round a like my personal preffrances i just thought being orignal was something we all were after. so i guess that makes you the clown here not me a!

No that's not why he is seen as one of the best producers. He is seen as one of the best producers because he is more innovative, creative, and has his sound under his many different aliases down pat. His end product is no better using no samples than it would be using them.

And until you learn how to properly spell here you won't be able to call anyone but yourself a clown

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Originally posted by Subtle I can see that view, but drums ? that seems like a total waste of time to me, thats like making your own pencil for drawing. Good samples can give you a huge advantage and time better spent on other parts of the track, when you make everything from scratch you are copying someone else anyways in your head.. which you then depending on your skill of course will end up spending time making a worse copy of something that you could have imported with a single click. I understand the do it all yourself thing, but first things first, the most important thing in music is composing and mixing, this is what the most time and energy is going to, and it NEVER ends. If you at the same time should be making every single sound from scratch at the same time.. then the progress of making music will go slowly.

well this is where i'm lost and it seems that people dont think it's an issue to use sample packs.

i just think it a important part of production to write all areas you need to make a good track yourself if you can.

i see your point about spending time on composing and arranging first.
but i can do this in draft with my own work i just write it in and play it back utill i think it a good tune. then make the changes it needs.

but it seems this debate will go on forever lol and i guess people have diffrent standards when it comes to music production.

i have learnd that by making your own shit leads to more personal and interesting tunes made by my fair hands and not anybody else.

Depends on what you want to achieve really, i just want to finish tracks, and the fastest way i can do that is to use samples.

I also want to make every bit of sound from scratch, but id rather much finish tracks, and as fast as possible..

If you have samples that most dont it will give you a good advantage.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 No that's not why he is seen as one of the best producers. He is seen as one of the best producers because he is more innovative, creative, and has his sound under his many different aliases down pat. His end product is no better using no samples than it would be using them. And until you learn how to properly spell here you won't be able to call anyone but yourself a clown

well you got one over me then i guess.

and to address your point about m.i.k.e the reason his sound is down to pat is because he spent time on creating it witch is my hole fuckin point.