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Originally posted by Kysora When did a track being ultra danceable become the biggest most important aspect to trance?

I dont want to get off on a rant here ,but....



I'm sorry, but this stuff is called electronic DANCE music, not electronic listening music, or electronic headphone music or electronic computer music!!

It is made for dancing. That's the whole point! It is supposed to make you move! Implying that being dancable or having good percussion is unimportant is akin to saying that 4 tires and a steering wheel is unimportant to on a car. Is it still a car if it doesnt have those things?

The point of a car is to provide a means of getting you from one place to another. The point of this music is to make you DANCE! Everything else is a secondary consideration. If you want music that's good for home listening then take a look at ambient, that's pretty good for listening at home or on headphones.

Maybe I'm just old, but I grew up going to warehouse parties on the fringes of town, clubs in the seedier parts of the city and raves in the middle of nowhere. This is where you learn what this music is supposed to be about. THIS is the root of this music, THIS is the "movement" that drew a lot of us into this. Running around in some dark room or some field somewhere, 4/4 kick drums pounding out of huge PA speakers, the DJ sitting in some corner having just as much fun as you WITHOUT acting like he is Jesus Christ.

Maybe this got lost along the way somewhere, and maybe this is one of the reasons why some kids these days just don't get it. Maybe some people need to go back and learn WHY this music is, and what it is truly all about, because I can tell you that superstar DJs with their hands in the air playing to arena sized crowds is NOT what this music was intended to be about. I hate seeing huge stages with 20,000 people watching one guy with a tiny setup in the middle of a huge stage. its just not right. You need to have a small club with a few hundred people, or a field in the middle of nowhere, going crazy to pounding grooves at 4 AM and not paying one bit of attention to the person who just happens to be playing the music.

Maybe thats part of the reason why other genres have such a hard time taking trance-heads seriously. Look at other genres and you dont see that shit. I love trance, I really do, but what it has become as of late just turns my stomach, makes me absolutely sick, because it has lost its ROOTS.

I'm sorry, I usually dont like to get involved in discussions like this, but that has to be once of the most fucked up things I have ever heard. Electronic dance music doesn't have to be dancable????? That's just crazy.

Last edited by Eric J on Sep-18-2009 at 02:19

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The problem with this argument is that I am finding plenty of great recent music that holds meaning for me. I am just not finding it in current trance for the most part anymore. It's not that I'm sick of new music as a whole.

Maybe you feel this way to, but I find the older I get the more diverse I get. I used to only listen to trance exclusively, but now I run the gambit. I don't even care about being a trainspotter like I used to be. I'm just happy to hear good music when ever I get the chance. I'm from south Louisiana...so in one day I might be listening to swamp pop, house, zydeco, and trance. It just depends on where I go. I actually like it much better now because I'll take a break from trance, not on purpose, but just because I'm into something else at the moment and then...bang...I hear some trance tune that blows me away and I'm back into it. C'mon man there has to be some current trance tune that you dig??????

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Originally posted by Eric J I dont want to get off on a rant here ,but.... I'm sorry, but this stuff is called electronic DANCE music, not electronic listening music, or electronic headphone music or electronic computer music!! It is made for dancing. That's the whole point! It is supposed to make you move! Implying that being dancable or having good percussion is unimportant is akin to saying that 4 tires and a steering wheel is unimportant to on a car. Is it still a car if it doesnt have those things? The point of a car is to provide a means of getting you from one place to another. The point of this music is to make you DANCE! Everything else is a secondary consideration. If you want music that's good for home listening then take a look at ambient, that's pretty good for listening at home or on headphones. Maybe I'm just old, but I grew up going to warehouse parties on the fringes of town, clubs in the seedier parts of the city and raves in the middle of nowhere. This is where you learn what this music is supposed to be about. THIS is the root of this music, THIS is the "movement" that drew a lot of us into this. Running around in some dark room or some field somewhere, 4/4 kick drums pounding out of huge PA speakers, the DJ sitting in some corner having just as much fun as you WITHOUT acting like he is Jesus Christ. Maybe this got lost along the way somewhere, and maybe this is one of the reasons why some kids these days just don't get it. Maybe some people need to go back and learn WHY this music is, and what it is truly all about, because I can tell you that superstar DJs with their hands in the air playing to arena sized crowds is NOT what this music was intended to be about. I hate seeing huge stages with 20,000 people watching one guy with a tiny setup in the middle of a huge stage. its just not right. You need to have a small club with a few hundred people, going crazy to pounding grooves at 4 AM and not paying one bit of attention to the person who just happens to be playing the music. Maybe thats part of the reason why other genres have such a hard time taking trance-heads seriously. Look at other genres and you dont see that shit. I love trance, I really do, but what it has become over the course of my lifetime, just turns my stomach, makes me absolutely sick, because it has lost its ROOTS. I'm sorry, I usually dont like to get involved in discussions like this, but that has to be once of the most fucked up things I have ever heard. Electronic dance music doesn't have to be dancable????? That's just crazy.

Quoted for truth. This is like what I said above, the newer generations just have a totally different introduction to the music than you did. To them it is not something shady, wild, and vaguely anarchistic, it is not going out somewhere having only a fuzzy idea of what might be played: instead it is an MP3 on a hard drive or the goosebumps they get sitting stock still in their computer chair while an Internet radio DJ plays the tune of the week. Then they can go to the club and fistpump as he plays the same list of tracks all over again.

A veteran has spoken, guys, take note.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Quoted for truth. This is like what I said above, the newer generations just have a totally different introduction to the music than you did. To them it is not something shady, wild, and vaguely anarchistic, it is not going out somewhere having only a fuzzy idea of what might be played: instead it is an MP3 on a hard drive or the goosebumps they get sitting stock still in their computer chair while an Internet radio DJ plays the tune of the week. Then they can go to the club and fistpump as he plays the same list of tracks all over again. A veteran has spoken, guys, take note.

God...I am not saying this to be an ass...because I'm no youngster myself..lol, but ya'll sound like two old mofo's talking about day's past. Things evolve..I miss getting blasted at raves that were total anarchy, but those things just can't go on anymore. Just like Woodstock can't go on anymore, things change. The old rave scene is dead, it's time to start a new one and it will not be by us!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Quoted for truth. This is like what I said above, the newer generations just have a totally different introduction to the music than you did. To them it is not something shady, wild, and vaguely anarchistic, it is not going out somewhere having only a fuzzy idea of what might be played: instead it is an MP3 on a hard drive or the goosebumps they get sitting stock still in their computer chair while an Internet radio DJ plays the tune of the week. Then they can go to the club and fistpump as he plays the same list of tracks all over again. A veteran has spoken, guys, take note.

lol you cant exspect the new shool to take lessons from the ones who have been there and done it.
it's a completly different time

Ha, I am not even that old, I got into this music in the late '90s just as the new order of Internet-fame DJs and MP3s was phasing out the old one. I wish I could have been around this scene as long as Eric has.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Ha, I am not even that old, I got into this music in the late '90s just as the new order of Internet-fame DJs and MP3s was phasing out the old one. I wish I could have been around this scene as long as Eric has.

Dude..you are old...Eric J is just older..lol

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Ha, I am not even that old, I got into this music in the late '90s just as the new order of Internet-fame DJs and MP3s was phasing out the old one. I wish I could have been around this scene as long as Eric has.

i'm not that old either man i hate being 31

LOL...28 over here and that's pretty old in raver years, unless you are a superstar dj!

Told you guys I am not old. I am younger than you both.

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Originally posted by Bayou Boy God...I am not saying this to be an ass...because I'm no youngster myself..lol, but ya'll sound like two old mofo's talking about day's past. Things evolve..I miss getting blasted at raves that were total anarchy, but those things just can't go on anymore. Just like Woodstock can't go on anymore, things change. The old rave scene is dead, it's time to start a new one and it will not be by us!

Sure, it's been replaced by more of a club scene, and that's fine. Couple of friends just went to the Stereo reopening in Montreal and posted in the Toronto board about how the DJ booth is sort of awkwardly positioned so it's kind of hard to stare at it without hurting your neck. Some people still get it. On the good nights in a number of the Toronto clubs you'll find about half the people dancing and half socializing, or maybe 75/25, with really only a handful of drunks and sketchpads hanging around doing not much of anything. That's the house scene though, not trance, and if you go to a techno event it's usually more heavily skewed toward people dancing as opposed to hanging out.

It's a different scene now, maybe a bit more like the even older disco/euro scene, but it's still very clearly a "party" scene, you're supposed to dance and have fun. It's dance music.

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