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david.michael
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Dayton, OH, USA

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Originally posted by aquila
That's awesome. What do you use it for? SID music?


That's the idea... I'd like to start using it to play with in some of my productions. I've yet to really get it set up, though. I have a MSSIAH cartridge and a SID2SID board (which will let me use two SID chips, for stereo/double voices). I still want to get a Commodore mouse and a USB capture card (to see the output on my regular screen in a window) but I haven't gotten that far, yet.

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DJ RANN
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....

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Indeed! Congrats David. You've done a great job.

The only things I don't in those pics are the speakers flat mounted on the desk, the fact they are not in front of the chair/either side of the screen and that there's no rug on the floor behind your chair (but it doesn't look completely finished in fairness).


So in the last few weeks received a couple of PM's asking to explain why not to flat mount your monitors. It may be old news and obvious to some but I thought I would post up the reasons as to why right here:

Firstly, you get what is commonly called "desk splash" which is where sound waves produced by the speaker driver hit the flat surface directly below the speaker and bounce up to the listener.

This creates a secondary relection of the original signal, which arrives slightly delayed to the listener and even colored as the frequencies react differently with the surface (some absorbed, some reflected). This reflection also can bounce off (again factor in frequency for variance) in a different direction and can blur the true stereo image. This means you won't hear the signal as a true representation of what it actually is, either in terms of clarity, frequency or stereo field.

Secondly, speakers, even on stands with a flat base let alone a flat surface like a desk, should always be de-coupled. To simplify, this is because there are various factors dictating speaker design and if a speaker enclosure is in full contact with another material it can influence the way the speakers essentially produce sound. The classic example is essentially vibrational feedback, where the speakers (mainly low) frequency is transferred to the stand or surface which in turn vibrates but some of this passes back to the speakers (due to vibrational dynamics - think rings in a pond when you throw a stone in).

By decoupling the speaker, you're allowing the speaker to behave as it really shoud regardless of the contact medium which can dampen or colour it's sound reproduction, so in essence the speaker has no outside forces apart from temperature and air density to affect it.

For increbly large speakers such as the PMC BM2 (about 80 pounds or 35 kilos each) which even have their own steel stands, we use "Blue Dots" or Sorbothane to decouple.

With smaller monitors, you can easily just use Auralex Mopads or upturned half squash balls (medium density) under the speakers.

So basically, at least decouple your speakers, if not use proper stands or mopads as a minimum to get the best reproduction from your speakers.

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Rebel Brown
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Registered: Jul 2005
Location: UK

Rann I was thinking of getting some Mopads for my HS80Ms, are they worth the money or would a cheaper/homemade alternative be just as good?

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DJ RANN
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Rann I was thinking of getting some Mopads for my HS80Ms, are they worth the money or would a cheaper/homemade alternative be just as good?


They are actually worth it. I've seen a couple of people try to make them with varying results and it's not as simple as just buying foam and bunging it under your speakers. The foam has to be the right density and type. Honestly I would just buy the mopads. They're like $40 and it's just not worth the time to fuck about making your own for that little money.

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Rebel Brown
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Location: UK

Thought as much. Thomann had some cheaper copies but after postage they were only £5 cheaper, so I might as well just buy some proper Mopads instead.

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kevin shawn
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Location: Vegas

Looks like I need some foam for my stands then


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david.michael
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Dayton, OH, USA

Coming along. Girlfriend's dad gave me a free area rug, so I went ahead and put that in.

Also, per usual, forgive the shitty iPhone pics. The accent wall and desk are actually dark blue, even though it looks kinda black in the pics.

Still have a lot of "finishing touches" stuff to do... put up baseboard, trim, edge-pieces of the drop ceiling and floor, clean up the cabling...etc.



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Andy28
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Looking good, coming along nicely indeed

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david.michael
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Dayton, OH, USA

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Looking good, coming along nicely indeed


Thanks! I'm admittedly pretty proud of myself, as I've never taken on a home project of this magnitude before... so all the little snags and mistakes aside, it's turning out pretty well. It actually "feels" like a room now instead of a junky cellar... so once I get the hallway/bathroom/laundry room/jacuzzi area of the basement completed, it will start feeling like true living space instead of a project...that's exciting!

Just having the "studio" part of the basement usable is pretty nice... I've been working on tracks again and it feels like it's been ages, but it's nice to be back into it. I've already scrapped about 10 projects because I couldn't really get anything going, but now I've got a work-in-progress (deep house track) that I think sounds pretty good.

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Andy28
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I would be proud too, Yes this thread dates back a bit now which shows how long its taken, but Im sure its worth it.

Im jealous..

Well done!!

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MSZ
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Registered: Jun 2005
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nice job tim the toolman taylor. something tells me those speakers are too small for that place, how do they handle? perhaps some sort of cable-management system would be ideal.

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david.michael
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Dayton, OH, USA

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nice job tim the toolman taylor. something tells me those speakers are too small for that place, how do they handle?


Hm... okay. They sound nice and clear and I don't have trouble mixing on them.... except the bass, as you probably guessed. Makes me wish I had a sub just so I could hear what I was doing.

I will think I have a perfectly mixed track, and then go listen to it in my car or something and can't even hardly hear through the mud.

quote:
perhaps some sort of cable-management system would be ideal.


Most definitely!

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