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quote: Originally posted by displaced correct me if i quote you in the wrong context, so if you replaced britney spears with kanye west, you'd call those people...

kanye west

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by R!CH this thread finally pays off

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Originally posted by drEamer that is true.....just cuz u think its bad, doesnt mean the entire world thinks it is....truth is, someone somewhere will like it......your musical taste isnt the end all be all u want it to be.....it starts and ends with what u like

i'm flattered you hold my opinion in such high regard, but the only one talking about what i say being the end all be all is yourself. really all i'm saying is commercial music is not art, it's cheap garbage. the argument that it is good because it makes money is a joke to me. like someone trying to convince me that mcdonalds makes a good hamburger because it sells. since you wanted to know, i defined for you what i consider to be good. i never said my taste in music defines what is good, that was something a lot of people took the pleasure of inferring from my posts. i was more than obliged to let them run with it. do you understand the distinction? i'm well aware that other opinions exist, and that a ton of people love cheesy, commercial music, but that doesn't change what it is. i'm not afraid of having a controversial opinion, what i'm really after is a guetta fan willing to come out and explain what is good about his music. i'm here to be entertained after all. tommy...

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Originally posted by Sadface Might that have to do with the fact that you and the rest of the underground scene keep switching up artists/genres so fast? MNML was the "it" genre not too long ago and now look what's happened. It wasn't inherently more creative than trance, it was just a different take on a 4/4 beat that everyone got bored of eventually. You just can't listen to EDM as much as we do without switching things up because every style gets stale after a while. The average weekend listener doesn't have this problem. Out of curiosity, how many producers/dj's are you still listening to that you loved 5 years ago? 3 years?

every sound has its era, the time when it was explosive, new and riveting. you can always go back to that era and appreciate it. that's different from putting up with the vestigial remnants being regurgitated 10 years after the fact. creative music is inherently dynamic. if you come up with the next big sound, eventually it will be mimicked and repackaged so many times that it is no longer worth listening to. there's usually a few good years in there before it becomes completely bastardized. i was never much of a fan of mnml or electro, those two hit their potential almost immediately imo. nevertheless when it first arrived on the scene, i could give it more credit than i could something that's been rehashed for years.

for those of you who lean on monetary success as a measure of artistic merit, consider this... population growth is geometric. the average life expectancy around the world is 66 years, but half the population is under 25. that means one thing, there will always be more teenage girls listening to radio music than anyone else listening to anything else. catering to these teenage girls can make you a lot of money as anyone who has music on the radio knows, but that success doesn't reflect in any way on its quality or artistic value.

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Originally posted by R!CH every sound has its era, the time when it was explosive, new and riveting. you can always go back to that era and appreciate it. that's different from putting up with the vestigial remnants being regurgitated 10 years after the fact. creative music is inherently dynamic. if you come up with the next big sound, eventually it will be mimicked and repackaged so many times that it is no longer worth listening to. there's usually a few good years in there before it becomes completely bastardized. i was never much of a fan of mnml or electro, those two hit their potential almost immediately imo. nevertheless when it first arrived on the scene, i could give it more credit than i could something that's been rehashed for years. for those of you who lean on monetary success as a measure of artistic merit, consider this... population growth is geometric. the average life expectancy around the world is 66 years, but half the population is under 25. that means one thing, there will always be more teenage girls listening to radio music than anyone else listening to anything else. catering to these teenage girls can make you a lot of money as anyone who has music on the radio knows, but that success doesn't reflect in any way on its quality or artistic value.

R!ich - the one thing you seem to be ignoring here is that the consumer of said cheesy music does seem to be enjoying their purchase of it or time listening to it in the clubs/radio/online, correct? my hope and belief is that those people who are being exposed to dance beats via the BEP/Guetta/hip hop people/etc., are the ones who will progress into fans of Sasha or the Droog guys or Sven Vath. Personally I can enjoy a Morillo set as much as a Luciano set... give the youngsters a chance to develop their dance palate when i first drank a beer i didn't care the brand...i was just happy to be drinking it lol... now i'm much more discerning. i suspect a few of the people you pigeonhole in your post will grow in their knowledge and appreciation of edm... granted many will not. i many times give the analogy of a cheesy dance set like this... if you just had a great slice of pizza at 4am after clubbing all nite, it probably damn well hit the spot at tha moment.... but a week later you probably won't remember it.... doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy that slice again in the future and it doesn't mean you're automatically showing a lack of a discerning taste... I eat at McDonalds and STK... both are beef products but one costs $5 and one $75 per person... but still are cut from the same cow

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Originally posted by Cool1g I eat at McDonalds and STK... both are beef products but one costs $5 and one $75 per person... but still are cut from the same cow

No. They aren't.

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Originally posted by couch-potato No. They aren't.

lol... looking at your signature that's funny you said something. anyway that's not my point to rile up the McD/STK debate here on TA!

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Originally posted by couch-potato No. They aren't.

Think again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food,_Inc.

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Originally posted by Cool1g I eat at McDonalds

Hard for me to eat McDonalds more than once every other month after watching this...

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Originally posted by Cool1g give the youngsters a chance to develop their dance palate

no i totally get this, but there aren't many youngsters on ta reading along. if there are i don't know who they are cause they aren't posting here. i'm saying this for those who've been around a while and still don't get it. the people shouting "guetta is the shit! he makes bank! he's the top house dj on dj mag! he even has his own shoe! he makes more money that your favorite dj and that makes him better! bla bla bla...", these people aren't youngsters and they aren't new to this, but they have a lot of learning to do. namely that following the most popular dj in the world doesn't mean you're listening to good music. it doesn't. it's a bunk argument. i'm putting this out there to encourage them to rethink this rationale and maybe broaden their horizons. also i really, really miss tommy

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Originally posted by R!CH i'm flattered you hold my opinion in such high regard, but the only one talking about what i say being the end all be all is yourself. really all i'm saying is commercial music is not art, it's cheap garbage. the argument that it is good because it makes money is a joke to me. like someone trying to convince me that mcdonalds makes a good hamburger because it sells. since you wanted to know, i defined for you what i consider to be good. i never said my taste in music defines what is good, that was something a lot of people took the pleasure of inferring from my posts. i was more than obliged to let them run with it. do you understand the distinction? i'm well aware that other opinions exist, and that a ton of people love cheesy, commercial music, but that doesn't change what it is. i'm not afraid of having a controversial opinion, what i'm really after is a guetta fan willing to come out and explain what is good about his music. i'm here to be entertained after all. tommy...

and what im saying is, who are u to judge? what are your qualifications? are u GOD?