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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Thanks for the heads up on that.

You're welcome.. You seem to have a pretty comprehensive understanding of this situation. I agree with with most of what you've said except for when you stated that settlements such as this do not violate the Geneva Convention. I don't want to get off topic, even though Israel's occupation of Palestinian land breaches countless international laws on many levels.. so I'm just going to stick to the issue at hand. Israel extending its jurisdiction into Palestinian affairs in annexed East Jerusalem is the root of the Silwan problem. This extension of jurisdiction clearly violates the Fourth Geneva Convention, which condemns an occupying power from extending its dominion to an occupied power.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d...125641e004aa3c5

Israel legitimizes the demolition of the Arab homes in Silwan by deeming the houses as illegal since their owners have not obtained permits. Annually, Israel only issues few hundred residential permits to the Palestinians, while its construction firms are given the right to go on and build 1,600 new homes on stolen land. Palestinians are only allowed to residentially develop 11-12% of East Jerusalem.. that's if they're lucky enough to receive a residential permit. Out of desperation, Palestinians go on to build new homes or extend existing ones.. One can say that they need to expand their residential areas at the same rate of their population growth? Israeli settlement development in the West Bank, which was meant to be frozen, still expanded at a rate that was proportional to Israel's natural growth rate (supposedly). Any houses developed without these permits, are demolished or evacuated.. Eventually the land itself or the vacant house will be illegally occupied by Israeli settlers. Both options are clear examples of theft. Now when you compare these statistics to the demographics of the area, the extent of how badly the Israeli authorities treat most Jerusalem's original inhabitants (Palestinians) can be shown.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Jeru...ting_Policy.asp
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62N2HA20100324
http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf...33?OpenDocument

It's great to see that many TAs seem to have a firm understanding of the reality of Israeli Apartheid. Much respect to you.

As for Diginut.. it saddens me to see somebody so intoxicated by bias that it hinders his / her ability to have a constructive debate.. This approach doesn't just apply to this topic.. being this stubborn will definitely limit you in many other aspects of life.. It's not good for you buddy. Keep your ears and eyes open or you might just end up burying yourself in a hole of denial. On the other hand, as a Palestinian I can also see this a good thing. Attitudes such as Diginut's allow for the true colors of Zionism to shine through.. Ignorant people that have been systematically socialized by certain ideals endorsed by the Zionist regime cause others to realize how far fetched and incorrect these ideals are. So thank you.. for one day your words and actions will help in justly bringing Israel down to its knees in the eyes of the international community.

On a lighter note.. Imo the most effective method of weakening the Israel is through the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions Movement (BDS). It's based on a similar movement which brought an end to South African Apartheid. Anybody can join this movement.. Your contribution boils down to the day-to-day decisions that you make, which can either benefit or weaken Israel. These decisions include: 1. cultural/ academic/ athletic/ economic boycott; 2. ending investments in firms operating in Israel and firms that support Israel; and sanctioning Israeli military/ diplomatic/ economic global links. Please check out the following websites if this interests you:
- http://www.bdsmovement.net/
- http://www.nion.ca/
- http://www.caiaweb.org/

A little bit of topic.. but this song reminds me of Palestine.. I listened to it countless times when I was there in December.. Probably one of the best tracks of 2009. Enjoy.

Good post dude. Always good to see a Palestinian opinion on this subject.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Good post dude. Always good to see a Palestinian opinion on this subject.

Thank you! Same to you.. excellent posts. When I see that other people can relate to a struggle I grew up with my whole life, it gives me a lot of hope. Always good to know that there are plenty of goodhearted people with a clear view of what's right and what's wrong.

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Originally posted by jad As for Diginut.. it saddens me to see somebody so intoxicated by bias that it hinders his / her ability to have a constructive debate..

I'm glad a few people on here are starting to see the waywardness of his arguments.

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Originally posted by Anas Attia I'm glad a few people on here are starting to see the waywardness of his arguments.

ANAS!!! let's march...

Anyone with half a brain knows that the Israeli's are the WAR CRIMINALS / instigators in the conflict. If anyone even actually considers what diginut has to say on the issue, they must be as retarded as he is.

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Originally posted by Special K Anyone with half a brain knows that the Israeli's are the WAR CRIMINALS / instigators in the conflict. If anyone even actually considers what diginut has to say on the issue, they must be as retarded as he is.

Digi would be the perfect candidate to join the IDF. He has the right mentality you know the "KILL ALL THE EVIL terrorists" type.

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Originally posted by gummybear You're so biased on this issue that I can't even fucking read your opinions. It is impossible to have a healthy debate with you about this topic because you will NEVER accept that you are being driven by your allegiance to one side. It's so #$^%$*&^%*(%^ annoying especially since you come off as such an insulting pseudo intellectual elitist. Props to the actual intellects in this thread who actually use their brains and examine situations from a realist and objective point of view, rather than spewing a bunch of one sided shit wrapped up in pretty prose. No offense Digi, but you to me are not a progressive thinker. Anybody who has a half a fuckin brain and looks at thing objectively, can see that what is going on in that region is and has been utterly disgusting but things will never change. It's not about right and wrong. It's about allegiances, money, power, world domination and a bunch of other messed up shit that rules this world. That sad part is that human lives mean shit.

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Originally posted by Special K Anyone with half a brain knows that the Israeli's are the WAR CRIMINALS / instigators in the conflict. If anyone even actually considers what diginut has to say on the issue, they must be as retarded as he is.

And here, again, we see the absurdly low burden of proof and overall level of discourse that you and your ilk tolerate of yourselves while holding others to an impossible standard.

Insults, hate, rhetoric, more insults... but no facts. Followed by baseless accusations that the other "side" is doing exactly what you yourselves are doing, with no evidence to support that claim either. Just try to find a way to silence any dissent. If you can't actually say that someone is wrong then just say that they are biased, prejudiced, stupid, retarded. How very progressive and open-minded of you.

Do you people ever stop to read the things that you write? Would you show these nuggets of wisdom to your mothers? LOL that you would have the gall to talk about "intellectuality" and "objectivity."

I've got news for you people. I'm not on anybody's side. I'm on my own side. I look for facts and evidence before deciding what to believe and really wish more people would have the patience to do the same, or at least keep to themselves when they don't have anything constructive to add.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Insults, hate, rhetoric, more insults... but no facts. F

time and time again people will give you facts and, time and time again, you choose to completely disregard them and come up with the "facts" of your own. at the same time you come off as a total authority in the field of "palestine vs israel" and, lets be honest here, you come off as a total authority on pretty much every single topic.

nobody is THAT smart aaron. if you tone it down a bit maybe people would start having an inteligent, constructive debates with you again and stop with "hate", "insults" and such.

im not trying to flame you.

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Israel is doing it because they've already given up on peaceful co-existence with Palestinians. If that were their aim, they wouldn't blatantly provoke Palestinian radicalism. That says a lot about Israel's own radicals. I've said it before, "Radicalism on one side breeds radicalism on the other". History has often made the point that for lasting peace to occur, one side often times, wins an absolute victory over the other, in great conflict. The Indian conflicts in America are one example. The conflicts stopped only when practically every Indian tribe was wiped off the map, by war, disease, famine, and forced relocation. Doesn't sound nice, but that's just reality.

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