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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE I think its way more constructive than just saying to someone "Keep going man, you'll make it one day" because most will never make it and most will end up quitting due to a lack of determination.

I think that a large part of your issue with other producers lies right here in this assumption - not everybody is trying to "make it" and people have widely varying definitions of exactly what "making it" means. I'd say that most EDM producers are in it simply for the joy of making music and having the opportunity to have something that they created heard by others. That's no different now than it was decades or even centuries ago.

In many ways, EDM is the new folk music - its core is largely comprised of people with little musical knowledge or formal training and, therefore, gets sneered at by those with years of training and experience who are making more "sophisticated" music. It's relatively simple music that is created by common people for common people. And, like folk music, it has earned its place as a legitimate musical form, despite what the snobs think of it, largely as a result of its achievability by virtually anybody. With that said, one of the biggest problems with EDM in my opinion is the attitude of EDM producers toward each other.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I think that a large part of your issue with other producers lies right here in this assumption - not everybody is trying to "make it" and people have widely varying definitions of exactly what "making it" means. I'd say that most EDM producers are in it simply for the joy of making music and having the opportunity to have something that they created heard by others. That's no different now than it was decades or even centuries ago. In many ways, EDM is the new folk music - its core is largely comprised of people with little musical knowledge or formal training and, therefore, gets sneered at by those with years of training and experience who are making more "sophisticated" music. It's relatively simple music that is created by common people for common people. And, like folk music, it has earned its place as a legitimate musical form, despite what the snobs think of it, largely as a result of its achievability by virtually anybody. With that said, one of the biggest problems with EDM in my opinion is the attitude of EDM producers toward each other.

Quoting for epic truth.

Genius writing, cryo.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I think that a large part of your issue with other producers lies right here in this assumption - not everybody is trying to "make it" and people have widely varying definitions of exactly what "making it" means. I'd say that most EDM producers are in it simply for the joy of making music and having the opportunity to have something that they created heard by others. That's no different now than it was decades or even centuries ago. In many ways, EDM is the new folk music - its core is largely comprised of people with little musical knowledge or formal training and, therefore, gets sneered at by those with years of training and experience who are making more "sophisticated" music. It's relatively simple music that is created by common people for common people. And, like folk music, it has earned its place as a legitimate musical form, despite what the snobs think of it, largely as a result of its achievability by virtually anybody. With that said, one of the biggest problems with EDM in my opinion is the attitude of EDM producers toward each other.

Agree with all of this.

Just thought i would respond to the new stuff...

Dead moose, i read your post several times. You made me realise that i have achieved so much that a lot of producers may never achieve. I'm by no means being boastful here, but i have had my work supported by the very djs i used to revere on dance floors and years ago wonder how the did what the did.

I have been signed and had offers from some ok labels which i turned down because i believe in the future of the label i'm on. This was a dream come true for me as in i never thought it would happen.

I have been made a manager and moderator and journalist for one of the other major edm portals online, with a busy year of interviewing companies/djs/events managers booked.

My passion for music got me out of a job i hated and prompted me to get an academic education from a respected university!

There are youtube videos of one of the biggest djs in the world playing my song at the ministry of sound in london!

I have new friends a new future and some amazing experiences and have realised some of my wildest dreams through the 5 years hard work i put in, whats more its the only thing i can say i gave my all to in my life.

So the point is, so what i got knocked back its my fault for being such a pussy. I do have it in me to achieve what i want from edm and i'm going to do it.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE Its too easy for idiots to bombard their garbage around the internet instead of holding fire until they come up with something worthwhile.

THIS is the whole point "I" was getting at. It's not that people shouldn't be able to make music. It's a great expressive art form and everyone should do it if they have the thirst to do so.

HOWEVER; this doesn't mean that they should send their trials and tribulations to all of the labels in the game; which makes it easier for the real talented people to get overlooked. Sure the talent all rises to the crop eventually but as moose said it costs a shitton of money to make music; all with no guarantee of ever making a penny off of it.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I'd say that most EDM producers are in it simply for the joy of making music and having the opportunity to have something that they created heard by others.

Unfortunately; wrong. That would be great if it were that way; but in this day and age everyone has to be better than everyone else and thinks number of records signed and radio shows created somehow equals their talent level and standing in the "scene". It's far far worse with the younger crowd; that's for sure.

MY whole problem is that most people are in it for all the wrong reasons which only hurts the people like you and me that ARE in it for the right reasons.

Here Here!.

ps, I'm not that Distinctive Recordings artist on soundcloud. I don't understand the way people have the obsession with asking for my own credentials before I am allowed to make judgements on other people here.

My profile name is just a piss take of MAU5.

Those who got all offended need to step back and re read my posts. You clearly don't have the faintest idea of what I was getting at.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Disagreeing with you is not the same thing as "getting all offended."

It is on the internet

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE Here Here!. ps, I'm not that Distinctive Recordings artist on soundcloud. I don't understand the way people have the obsession with asking for my own credentials before I am allowed to make judgements on other people here. My profile name is just a piss take of MAU5. Those who got all offended need to step back and re read my posts. You clearly don't have the faintest idea of what I was getting at.

Credentials would help to position your assertions as qualified - that's it. You're posting assertions concerning professional qualifications for music production about someone who has put more hours, has done more academic study, and has more laurels than you've demonstrated. It's sort of like people who have never had a weight issue calling out people who are fat for not losing weight.

"Unfair criticism is the last vestige of an incompetent." ~ Unknown

Congratulations. You've not demonstrated any competency to be speaking at the pay-grade you're speaking at and your criticism is therefore, unfair.

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