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Originally posted by jennypie Mate is a well respected medical doctor who works in Vancouver's downtown East side - which has the highest population of addicts in the world. He's done extensive research aside from his own personal experiences working with those with addictions, and has addictions of his own. I just don't think many people are genuinely interested to learn more about it, and would rather stick to their uninformed beliefs about addiction. I suppose it's hard to see it the way he does if you don't have a background in health care and a broad understanding of mental health issues and addictions. But what Dr. Mate says does make perfect sense, and his arguments are entirely rational - and well supported by legitimate research.

which is why your opinions on the subject are ever more convincing than pivot's

Uh, ok.


edit: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

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Originally posted by jennypie Uh, ok. edit: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

no, im serious. just because you tired out the packers for the next decade and have ruined any potential for superbowl victory, doesn't mean you don't know a bit of shit. like stu (an utter waste of space), if i was interested in buying a massive anal dildo, i'd come to him for advice.

likewise, i would never ever hold your penchant for cock as an excuse to ignore your opinions on a field you have much more experience in than me (medicine, not cock, but also cock).

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, im serious. just because you tired out the packers for the next decade and have ruined any potential for superbowl victory, doesn't mean you don't know a bit of shit. like stu (an utter waste of space), if i was interested in buying a massive anal dildo, i'd come to him for advice. likewise, i would never ever hold your penchant for cock as an excuse to ignore your opinions on a field you have much more experience in than me (medicine, not cock, but also cock).

LOL.





I'd also like to add that Mate makes a very good case against the criminalization of drugs. It's really just incredible that the shit he says is so simply true and profoundly obvious - it's shameful to know that the majority of society shares the attitudes it does towards addiction and drugs.

Did you know that Portugal is the only country in the world where all drugs are completely decriminalized? Ever since the law changed they've actually seen a DECLINE in illicit drug use.

http://www.idpc.net/php-bin/documen...tion_EN.pdf.pdf

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Originally posted by jennypie Did you know that Portugal is the only country in the world where all drugs are completely decriminalized?

actually i did, but being the stoner i am i'd completely forgotten i started the thread!

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...hlight=portugal

Bahahahaha!


edit: GODDAMN Q5echo is a fucking MORON. *rage rage rage*

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Originally posted by jennypie Bahahahaha! edit: GODDAMN Q5echo is a fucking MORON. *rage rage rage*

seriously- when you posted that i thought "gee, i remember there being a PDD thread on that" and i was genuinely surprised when i saw my name as the thread creator

i miss Q5. not so great in that thread, but one of the few articulate and convincing conservatives on TA half-caste daughter too, she'll be well hot and should be old enough soon!

Lmao. Always thinking, eh pkc?

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Originally posted by jennypie Lmao. Always thinking, eh pkc?

dammit! i knew posting after a couple of bottles of red would be my un-doing! blame the woeful display of hawthorn this evening (australia's version of the packers )

fuck, must be time for bed. fuck you all! especially stu and fledz.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN especially stu and fledz.

lol +1

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Originally posted by jennypie That isn't entirely wrong though...he just makes a very biased point without attended to WHY medication "doesn't help". I can sort of agree in the sense that medication ALONE doesn't help people. One cannot expect to heal psychiatric/mental illnesses without being aware of all the other socio-cultural-political-environmental factors that contribute to it.

Sure - but even then, medication is a great supplement to whatever other form of therapy you combine it with, and, aside from the fact that medical approaches to psychology tend to be stigmatized for arbitrary cultural reasons, it would be foolish to dismiss either method. Either way, it's a pretty big jump from your position of 'pathology has complex causes' (which, of course, I absolutely agree with), to new-agey horseshit like:

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[...]sends your spirit the message that life’s answer do not come from within. This is an evil message, because it is untrue. People need to change their lives deeply, both inside and out, in order to heal.

... because, you know what lies deeply within people? Neurons.

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I think, essentially, his message is quite true - that people need to attend to the root causes of their problems, which all kinds of research DOES link to childhood trauma.

Childhood trauma may be a cause in some cases of addiction, which, as you so eloquently put earlier, has very complex causation models - hence the naivete of attributing so much importance onto one single arbitrarily chosen cause. It's crap because it oversimplifies a complex problem that should be dealt with on multiple levels of explanation. That's ultimately what all pop psychology is guilty of, hence why it's all crap.

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