never have understood why people will start outrageous arguments and be super negative over the internet. it is pointless. the only thing it does is show how important time is to the particular person being so negative and ballooning threads to 7+ pages of garbage comments.

if you like to appropriate time for arguing on a message board then you are not going to get anywhere AND you are wasting peoples time here who do want to be productive members of society in some fashion or another.

Be glad I'm not a moderator. There are a lot of people who wouldn't be posting on this forum.

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he must have a law background.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad You know what the sad part is, if you weren't such a dick, and showed some character, there are people here that could and would help you. Operation Market garden should be your new nickname. Talk about bridge burning.

Why would I want to build bridges with ungrounded trolls that mislead people?

I do well to build bridges with good quality people who would not take up the retarded argument some of you guys have taken up here and other debates. And in this one, telling people that they dont need to gain knowledge, develop a craft, learn the ins and outs, that would help them not only get a gig at a studio, but also help them make better sounding productions of their own. An engineering degree on real equipment would put you ahead of most EDM producers, showing up at a studio with nothing wont put you ahead of anyone after you get turned down.

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley Be glad I'm not a moderator. There are a lot of people who wouldn't be posting on this forum.

Why? I think most people enjoy the occasional raucous argument and rowdy back and forth. I know I do. It sucks the life out of a place if you try and force everyone to be polite.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Kismet7 wins another thread. Flawless victory!

Bookmarking this thread for future reference lol.

The typical TA troll roundup, failed arguments, out of touch with reality, fairytales for arguments, but definately 55 WPM folks.

Whoever hires the trolls that regularly work this forum, really is a major idiot, he is likely hiring people just like himself, who carry his traits.

You guys get paid to post on this forum right? There is no other explanation for some of the arguments and views you guys take up. What a shitty soulless job.

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there is a sad sort of pleasure in dealing with complete morons. Sort of like a visit to the zoo. I can't deny his complete lack of insight and godlike assurance makes me chuckle. Kind of reminds me that no matter how bad I think my issues are , I could be alot worse.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 And in this one, telling people that they dont need to gain knowledge, develop a craft, learn the ins and outs, that would help them not only get a gig at a studio, but also help them make better sounding productions of their own. An engineering degree on real equipment would put you ahead of most EDM producers, showing up at a studio with nothing wont put you ahead of anyone after you get turned down.

I have helped countless people get ahead in the industry, which is why the info I'm giving here is not to make you fell like shit for getting a degree, but to give you a real world experience of how it really is in the studio world.

A degree will not help you get a foot in the door any more than a guy without who demonstates passion.

It's just the way it is. I'm sorry but this is really how it is. I've seen it and been there and watched countless other people try.

So don't derail this thread - if you want to know what gets a foot in the door, its a basic understanding and determination. period.

Your demeanor and ability to learn is way more important than anything else.

yeah you've got to know the basics but that's it.

A year of 50 hours plus weeks in audio engineering school, in front of real desks and equipment, did not do a thing to prepare me for real studio work - the real thing is way more intense, far more about your people skills than about technical expertise, and even when the technical is needed it won't matter as it's on the latest state of the art equipment (which you won't find in 99% of all schools).

I'm done, anything else and I know you're just trolling becuase I am the industry, and so is brad and we're both telling you it is no uncertain terms (shit, we even work on different coasts and its the same story).

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Originally posted by DJ RANN A degree will not help you get a foot in the door any more than a guy without who demonstates passion.

This is where your reasoning falls apart. A person getting a degree can easily demonstrate passion. So not only can they have passion, but they also have an applicable education. Which gives them the edge in not only getting a gig at a studio, but also helps them with their own personal endeavours. Are you saying people who dont have a degree are the only passionate ones? lol. If anything, someone who is putting their money and time into getting a degree, they are more apt to be passionate about the studio craft than the average person without it. Its like saying a Chef that goes to Chef school would not get a job in a kitchen, but some kid without a culinary education would simply because of their passion. The statistics would be in the favor of the chef with technique and other skills developed at the culinary school. I'm not trying to make you look dumb either, i'm just saying what you are saying is unreasonable for the average person here, who would benefit greatly from learning sound engineering, in a time where sound design has superceded the musical values of many popular genres of music.

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Like fuck am I going to read all this... get a room.

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To the thread starter: Take piano lessons, regardless if it will help you produce better EDM it will surely be fun.

I've been thinking of getting an audio technician degree just to get out of this cycle of dayjobs and have more time for producing, since the thing that would replace my dayjob would be much related to making my own music.

I'd say quit thinking of jobs. Think of developing yourself. Even with proper education and the best papers from your class, the chances you'll be working at your dreamjob soon after that are indeed slim.

At least I've always thought I can work as a fucking plumber if it pays me (and excuse me if there really are some plumbers around), I'll dedicate my own time to music. Getting a job in this business isn't really that important to me (out of reach also).

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well this thread certainly got interesting