would you trust the opinion of the craft of a bridge from an engineer with a masters degree or a guy like you with no qualifications. Rook to A8 check

this thread has given me a headache. I redact everything said. Except that part about Eddie's mom.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad would you trust the opinion of the craft of a bridge from an engineer with a masters degree or a guy like you with no qualifications. Rook to A8 check

Not even if he took that bridge, cut it to an 8-bar loop to use as a hook and then force-fed it to a drum-machine. Please see Mr. Knight from B6 to A8.

As much as I respect your credentials (and I really do), appeals from pedantry are useless considering what's has been offered. You're far from the only pro I've known and I've known quite a few who have made some remarkably bad decisions - both in their professional and personal lives; even pertaining to the music they chose, produced, engineered, and/or created. I am as dismissive of their preferences regarding my tastes as I am of yours diminishing them. Your cognitive ability to analyze and quantify music according to its theoretical metrics does not grant you any ability to measure its aesthetics with as much accuracy in a way which appeals to my tastes.

Aesthetics are largely a construct of psychological preferences. There are certain measures which quantify them but when you look at the Music Discussion forum, here, you should not be too surprised to find a lack of agreement on what those measures really are - even amongst the pros.

Consider this:



There was a time when every weekend night was permeated with this. By the time it gets to the first bridge of "everybody, everybody", I was fucking sick of it - and that's the first time I heard it. Everything - and I mean everything - up to that point I think is genius but she starts belting out "set me free" and it's time to go outside, without my coat, for a smoke in the snow.

But you have to consider - everyone else in the club loves it. The DJ kills the chorus. The crowd sings, "set me freeeee". The dance floor is packed. Does that make it a good song?

For me? No. Because after all the set up, the arrangement takes a sharply reductive angle to get out of the way of the vocals, which are shrill, cloying, and so prevalent in the mix as to be stifling to the song's only redeeming feature - it's crucially reduced music-bed.

Musically, it ought to have made Todd Terry a little nervous - but Todd Terry has more finesse. Musically, there's nothing really wrong with it. The notes are spot on. The rhythm section is in the pocket and the phrasing is next to perfect - even on the vocals. It packs dance-floors. It is the quintessential classic. The song, to me, however just fucking sucks massive donkey balls.

I consider it on par with KISS's, "I wanna Rock and Roll all Night". Crap. Utter crap. Pure, unadulterated, egocentric, epically crowd pleasing crap. Nevertheless, my friend, better men - men who I would have just as much respect for - than you, I suspect, have not found it as wanting and may have even engineered it and to therefore vest your opinion with the qualification of your credentials would be intellectually dishonest, at best, and absolutely fucking daft, at second best.

Sorry about your head.

*leaves thread to lavage ears with Beastie Boys' Ill Communication.*

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It pretty much boils down to Richie is stubborn and doesn't listen to much new stuff anymore, and Kysora has a lot more experience so he can hear more of the innovations that Richie isn't exposed to. Who cares? Is it really that big of a deal? Just go make some music. Don't take this thread too seriously, it was just a cautious warning about redundancy.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Kysora doesn't have more experience. Not sure where you got that from. I listen to lots of music, including the shit that has been posted here. You sure assume alot. And for someone that hasn't done EDM production in years , I still seem to know more than you guys as I'm always answering your fucking questions. Its called using your ears which is something I do more in a year , than you do in a lifetime. I think it precisely because you people don't know how to listen that you can't appreciate good production. You don't know what is hard to make , you don't appreciate good sound design because you don't know what is hard and what is easy and you would not know original production if it hit you in the head and said hey, whats going on man, because you have no grasp of what has been done before, and what has not.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad Kysora doesn't have more experience. Not sure where you got that from. I listen to lots of music, including the shit that has been posted here. You sure assume alot. And for someone that hasn't done EDM production in years , I still seem to know more than you guys as I'm always answering your fucking questions. Its called using your ears which is something I do more in a year , than you do in a lifetime. I think it precisely because you people don't know how to listen that you can't appreciate good production. You don't know what is hard to make , you don't appreciate good sound design because you don't know what is hard and what is easy and you would not know original production if it hit you in the head and said hey, whats going on man, because you have no grasp of what has been done before, and what has not.

Nobody can listen to everything, so who knows? But hey, you're entitled to your own two cents. What I meant to say was that Kysora probably has more experiencing listening to uplifting trance than yourself. It's easy to say, "Genre X has nothing new." But if you haven't listened to everything, then you can't really know. Let's just agree to disagree, but also agree that we need originality for the music's sake.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by meriter Your primary focus should be making good music. That's all. No one gives a shit how you do it. And the people that do are fags.

haven't read the whole topic but just in case you don't know:

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