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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose It is the media for dumbing down the Art, and then it is the mainstream crowd for following what the media puts out, and in this case, the media spat out cheese/commercial Trance in mid 2000.

I agree but I don't think it's the media's fault - it's the people. The fact is we're all to blame in one way or another. We don't like to look in the mirror very often but there's no-one who can be a connoisseur of everything. If you think about it, all of us is guilty to some extent. I'll admit I buy stuff from The Gap since I'm not very big into fashion, yet for someone in the fashion world I'm their worst nightmare. My point is, it's unrealistic to think that everyone will / or even could become so educated for everything, but that is the inherent problem with mainstream media and popularity. Once your goal is to please the most amount of people possible, you must sacrifice some of the artistic merit to do so.

And yes before you name The Beatles as a counter example, there are always exceptions - but they're definitely not the norm..

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose Untalented artists, wannabes, marketers, ruined Trance. Trance is supposed to remain underground. However, Trance is not dead. It is still underground, where it belongs. Are some of guys telling me you wish it was 'alive,' as in, commercially alive again? It'd be another cycle of cheesey Trance generations. Right now the hot stuff is Dubstep and Electro-House/House. It is expanding quickly too. Trance is not dead it is just put back to sleep after such a long time of being abused by idiots. However, the new EDM community tends to follow along with what is popular, not what is underground, so they are following up on the new popular Deadmau5 and Rusko types of EDM. These Electro-House/House will reach a peak, and then the whole world will start making Electro-House/House songs, and most likely, there will be a cheesiness noticed in the new Electro-House/House music, and everyone will start to hate it, calling it "boring, sleepy, overrated." The famous Djs or Trance giants have gotten bored of Trance though, which is the sad part.

That's what trance artist play and make these days, more electro house shittiness and calling that as trance. Electro and house are more popular than the real trance are,

This is what's wrong with trance and what started
Armin van Buuren is the biggest douchebag to blame though.He started this trend.


1. It was in 2006,where the tracks became electro farty influence(it still is)
2.Then the heavy supersaw, overcompression, Aly&Fila tunes came in.Though, it's more tolerable than electro shit that people call trance but still it's a problem.Genericness kicked in
3.Pop shit,the annoying singing overally cheesy vocals started the whole fucking up of the genre.
4.The minimal techy sounds.Techno used to be fucking awesome, but was ruined by sander van doorn farty/minimal annoying sounds.
5.The top DJ mag 100 became a bad joke that's predicable and the djs wanting to act like superstars.
6. Housey stuff ruined trance too, the whole reason trance was there was because it was meant to be different now it's has gotten ruined.

That's what i feel is the fucking up of trance.

Fuck, we're analysing Trance lyrics now?

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Originally posted by heisenberg That's what trance artist play and make these days, more electro house shittiness and calling that as trance. Electro and house are more popular than the real trance are, This is what's wrong with trance and what started Armin van Buuren is the biggest douchebag to blame though.He started this trend. 1. It was in 2006,where the tracks became electro farty influence(it still is) 2.Then the heavy supersaw, overcompression, Aly&Fila tunes came in.Though, it's more tolerable than electro shit that people call trance but still it's a problem.Genericness kicked in 3.Pop shit,the annoying singing overally cheesy vocals started the whole fucking up of the genre. 4.The minimal techy sounds.Techno used to be fucking awesome, but was ruined by sander van doorn farty/minimal annoying sounds. 5.The top DJ mag 100 became a bad joke that's predicable and the djs wanting to act like superstars. 6. Housey stuff ruined trance too, the whole reason trance was there was because it was meant to be different now it's has gotten ruined. That's what i feel is the fucking up of trance.

I did not know Trance around the time in 2006. I'm afraid I only knew Trance when in 2007... but I'm surprised I wasn't bandwagon'd into the new shit that is being made nowadays.

Armin is indeed to blame. His "Imagine" album, "In n Out of Love" craze attracted a bunch of poppy superstar type of Trance. It's just frustrating to see where it is going... I mean, even Armin's new album, "Mirage" seems so lifeless. Most of the songs seems so generic and limited...

I agree Sander Van Doorm is NOT good... lol

DJMag is terrible too.
House came back into the scene again because people found new Trance to be cheesey and retarded.

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Originally posted by Brink]I agree but I don't think it's the media's fault - it's the people. The fact is we're all to blame in one way or another. We don't like to look in the mirror very often but there's no-one who can be a connoisseur of everything. If you think about it, all of us is guilty to some extent. I'll admit I buy stuff from The Gap since I'm not very big into fashion, yet for someone in the fashion world I'm their worst nightmare. My point is, it's unrealistic to think that everyone will / or even could become so educated for everything, but that is the inherent problem with mainstream media and popularity. Once your goal is to please the most amount of people possible, you must sacrifice some of the artistic merit to do so. And yes before you name The Beatles as a counter example, there are always exceptions - but they're definitely not the norm..

I suppose you're right but...

Sometimes I think these asshole Trance DJs just become sellouts and want to fuck around with us so they could make money. They lost their inspiration and just want to put in 1% effort into anything influential.

Either that or, I can always be skeptical and think there is an outer organization or crazy hitman's threatening to kill the Trance artists and DJs if they continue to do anything influential. There's always a possibility that Tiesto is just a puppet of some higher grasp. (IE, the people he works for that supports him) or it could be that people just want the guy dead because he became too famous or something

i dont know... it could be anything. thats the point
but it all comes down to bottom line, which is, they make bad EDM nowadays

^ wrong

you're saying it started with In and Out of Love.
So wrong...

People also whined the same shit over Love You More. (2006)
Wait...

People also whined the same shit over Shivers... (2005)
Wait...

People also whined the same shit over Yet Another Day (2002)...

PEOPLE ALWAYS WHINED. NOTHING CHANGED. STOP WHINING!

Oh really?

I didn't say he started it, dumbass.
I said he destroyed it even more... But I didn't clarify that he destroyed it for people j. My generation so you are probabl lost

And yeah we really should stop complaining

justin beiber, american idol, paris hilton, perez hilton, kim kardashian....these are the people that destroyed trance

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I'm listening to it RIGHT NOW. DJ Tiesto's In Search of Sunrise Remix, no less. Pass me those pills.

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Originally posted by Voci ^ wrong you're saying it started with In and Out of Love. So wrong... People also whined the same shit over Love You More. (2006) Wait... People also whined the same shit over Shivers... (2005) Wait... People also whined the same shit over Yet Another Day (2002)... PEOPLE ALWAYS WHINED. NOTHING CHANGED. STOP WHINING!

Voci, your comments make me lol HARD of how little you know about trance. Armin has always been a Euro producer not a trance producer.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose I did not know Trance around the time in 2006. I'm afraid I only knew Trance when in 2007... but I'm surprised I wasn't bandwagon'd into the new shit that is being made nowadays. Armin is indeed to blame. His "Imagine" album, "In n Out of Love" craze attracted a bunch of poppy superstar type of Trance. It's just frustrating to see where it is going... I mean, even Armin's new album, "Mirage" seems so lifeless. Most of the songs seems so generic and limited... I agree Sander Van Doorm is NOT good... lol DJMag is terrible too. House came back into the scene again because people found new Trance to be cheesey and retarded. I suppose you're right but... Sometimes I think these asshole Trance DJs just become sellouts and want to fuck around with us so they could make money. They lost their inspiration and just want to put in 1% effort into anything influential. Either that or, I can always be skeptical and think there is an outer organization or crazy hitman's threatening to kill the Trance artists and DJs if they continue to do anything influential. There's always a possibility that Tiesto is just a puppet of some higher grasp. (IE, the people he works for that supports him) or it could be that people just want the guy dead because he became too famous or something i dont know... it could be anything. thats the point but it all comes down to bottom line, which is, they make bad EDM nowadays

The problem with the scene is not only the pop tracks, but it's a collection of a lot of OTHER things too. As I mentioned above, the main Culprit is Mr. Van buuren asshole who thinks Guetta/Mau5 are trance.What I wonder is why does house or electro or even tech house get picked for genericness.These days you see the producers have nothing new to show, so they are now bastardishing classics...why???

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Originally posted by heisenberg Voci, your comments make me lol HARD of how little you know about trance. Armin has always been a Euro producer not a trance producer.

But blaming him for what happened is just stupid. It's more like looking for someone to blame and Armin is an obvious choice.

I'm waiting for someone to blame God's Groove or all the others who added vocals to trance, look for the year



The track at the right is on the same album by the way. The album back then was top quality according to many and probably still is.

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Last edited by Trance-M on Nov-12-2010 at 20:27