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Originally posted by Moongoose Except when you kill the other guy because he prays to a different imaginary friend than you do, then faith is the motive.

No. Even if imaginary friends were entirely out of the equation, there are other more powerful and compelling motives than imaginary friends for killing. Imaginary friends are simply rallying contexts, much like atheism has proven to be for berating people with imaginary friends.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard DING DING DING! Politics is the motive, not faith.

What? That's not always the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

There have been several wars fought due entirely to religion. I agree that politics influences most violence, but the violent religious extremists don't view their hate as political.

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Originally posted by ziptnf What? That's not always the case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war There have been several wars fought due entirely to religion. I agree that politics influences most violence, but the violent religious extremists don't view their hate as political.

I'll grant you the Crusades but today, it's more complex than religious differences.

They certainly message it that way as a means of invoking entitlement and justification, but again, the religious component of such terrorism is secondary to its root causes.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard DING DING DING! Politics is the motive, not faith.

YOU LIE, RELIGION BLOWS!

TERRORISTS BLOW PEOPLE UP AND PRIESTS BLOW KIDS!

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Originally posted by Lira YOU LIE, RELIGION BLOWS! TERRORISTS BLOW PEOPLE UP AND PRIESTS BLOW KIDS!

Oh, dear. You've finally cracked and become militant.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Oh, dear. You've finally cracked and become militant.

Actually, I was waiting for someone to correct me and say that it's the kids who in fact blow the priests

SAVE RELIGION, KILL THE KIDS!!!

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Originally posted by Lira SAVE RELIGION, KILL THE KIDS!!!

Do it for the children!

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Originally posted by ziptnf What? That's not always the case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war There have been several wars fought due entirely to religion. I agree that politics influences most violence, but the violent religious extremists don't view their hate as political.

I was referring to the present condition of Islamist terrorism.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Esiotrat Moderate, reasonable Muslims don't do that, extremist wackjobs do. If it wasn't for religion, they would still find a reason to kill you. (re: what Eddie said)

You're kind of proving my point there. Moderate people dont do it, extremists do. Those who take their faith too far, their religion too seriously do the killings. That is not politics, that is genuine belief that that they are right, that they are just and that with god on their side they can do whatever they want because in their sick little mind, twisted by religious dogma they are the truly good ones. Its not politics when everything you are, everything you did, will ever do or want to do is done for the sake of a god. Its not politics when casualties dont matter because they are godless heathens, despised not because of their politics, but their different religious beliefs or lack thereof. It is not politics, its religion, its faith, its the institutionalised hatred for everyone and everything that does not conform to the exact ideas and values of your version of the the ancient holly books that has been fuelling conflicts for generations. To defend it is wrong, to try to downplay it as a cause is inexcusable and only adding to the problem.

And what other reason would a religious extremist who by some act of god suddenly wasn't a religious extremist any more have to kill me if not my blatant atheism? The way i dress? The football team i root for (doesn't count if he is british, where that is a valid excuse). Politics? Perhaps, but Kevin hasn't shot me or blown himself up to kill me yet, and he and I disagree on almost everything regarding politics. You're much less likely to actually resort to violence unless a divine voice tells you that its ok since he's not with with him so the guy doesn't matter. This hypothetical religious extremists who is not any more, unless the person was some kind of a psychopath could at least be reasoned with. You cant reason with someone who thinks he has a god given right to something or is acting on gods orders.


Note that im not talking only about islam here.

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Originally posted by Kenny Rogers without religion we would have anarchy.

That's bullshit.

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Originally posted by Kenny Rogers have u seen how dogs without a charismatic and strict owner act?

You're talking about a cult, not religion.

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