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nefardec
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There are people who were echoing your sentiment in 1992 and 1993. I read a review on discogs the other day stating that techno died for good when Richie Hawtin started getting popular, because he forced people to start thinking it had to be repetitive and minimal.

I see this attitude with particular clubs more than music, but in every field there's always the group of people who say "x has been going downhill since I started doing it" regardless of when they got into it. I've heard people say the same about the auto industry, movies, anything really. From this, you can draw one of two conclusions:

1. Everything is continually getting worse.

2. People change, and get bored with things they used to think were cool, when in fact the thing has barely changed at all.

You're just another jaded whinger, but you're two decades behind.


so what? i can't help when i was born. just because other people realized in the past this does not mean it was only true then. art movements have cycles of innovation and decadence.

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so what? i can't help when i was born. just because other people realized in the past this does not mean it was only true then. art movements have cycles of innovation and decadence.



Oh god, are you really that self-important? Even when I patently explained it, you missed the point that it's you who's changed, not the art form. Art movements (and all movements) definitely have cycles of innovation and decay. You're not experiencing that, though. You're experiencing a serious case of head up the arse.


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i guess you guys have never seen these:






That was great. This is nice too IMO.



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nefardec
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quote:
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it's you who's changed, not the art form.


ummm :

quote:
Originally posted by Domesticated
Art movements (and all movements) definitely have cycles of innovation and decay.


Thanks for contradicting yourself^

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Originally posted by Domesticated You're not experiencing that, though. You're experiencing a serious case of head up the arse.


You seem to be the self important one in this last post, admitting that art forms change, but certainly not this one, just because you say so, and because you need it to have not changed in order to attack me ad hominem.

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ummm.. not couture

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Germans are so awesome. I for one absolutely hate hipsters, and this has got to be the most awesome hipster thing I've ever seen. It's awesome from the shoes of a regular joe such as my self, that they are taking this stuff way too seriously.

I find it kind of funny that my perception of the hipster scene in the USA seems to embrace synths because I just get the perception that indie-an americans just don't like synths and electronics and thus embrace it out of irony. So are hipsters in the continent all about acoustics such as this stuff here?

Is my perception and observation wrong? I don't follow any of the scenes.

I do find those Germans and their sounds aesthetically pleasing. I listen to music because of the ear candy, and I don't care what the whole premise of the song's message is because all I see is ear candy or ear veggies. I for one, love the RA, German, and tech-house sounds because they sound awesome. I will say that those scenes take themselves WAYYYY to seriously, especially RA.

Remember when dance music was about fun? http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=1103 5/5 for a tiesto comp.

on a side note: Why is it that every other techno artist loves Miles Davis, Jazz, Kraftwerk, and Krautrock?

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I find it kind of funny that my perception of the hipster scene in the USA seems to embrace synths because I just get the perception that indie-an americans just don't like synths and electronics and thus embrace it out of irony. So are hipsters in the continent all about acoustics such as this stuff here?

I play synth...we all play synth!

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Remember when dance music was about fun? http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=1103 5/5 for a tiesto comp.

Awesome find.

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on a side note: Why is it that every other techno artist loves Miles Davis, Jazz, Kraftwerk, and Krautrock?


because it's good music?

and also, kraftwerk was arguably the original techno producer, and krautrock was certainly the basis of the form of techno and lots of the production techiques.

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I find it kind of funny that my perception of the hipster scene in the USA seems to embrace synths because I just get the perception that indie-an americans just don't like synths and electronics and thus embrace it out of irony. So are hipsters in the continent all about acoustics such as this stuff here?

Is my perception and observation wrong? I don't follow any of the scenes.


hipsters like these things ironically in that they put a premium on musicianship. the synth is seen as a cultural relic like a particular pair of sunglasses or an old fashioned camera. it is often used by hipsters as symbol of retrospection within the music rather than a machine for producing novel sound, like the original manipulators of the synths used them for. it's also important to realize that certain synths were never meant to be used for the types of sounds for which they came to be famous.

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I do find those Germans and their sounds aesthetically pleasing. I listen to music because of the ear candy, and I don't care what the whole premise of the song's message is because all I see is ear candy or ear veggies. I for one, love the RA, German, and tech-house sounds because they sound awesome. I will say that those scenes take themselves WAYYYY to seriously, especially RA.


to me it sounds overproduced, predictable, limp-wristed. i hear a ho-hum, played-out sequence of predictable maneuvers and sounds, which ultimately become reduced to an infantile language of 'fist pump', 'weird, obscure, desperately soulful, or ironic sample', 'breakdown', 'bass drop'. and the language of the djs is equally simplistic, the same manuevers being used over and over again, to change the track in the most innoffensive and slick manner, with a smooth fade, harmonic mix, and a bass swap, often accompanied by a bass kill for an impromptu hands in the air rubato. it's deejaying and music which has been reduced to a minimum viable product, a branded muzak experience, rather than musical vision, real emotional drama, or virtuoso. everyone is afraid to step outside of the mold, but it's ok to colonize other things and bring them into it.

in a way this german group draws extreme attention to that fact. but guess what, kraftwerk did this 40 years ago. we get it, electronic music makes people act like machines and can possibly be used to make an artistic statement on modern industrial society. except that made sense in the 70s and 80s when the technology was just coming out.

now i would argue that people making music in ways that engage contemporary technology like karaoke on chatroulette are the innovators. but the problem is everyone is so obsessed with humor now that there is very little sincerity or earnestness in music. people get their news from jon stewart and conan obrien. everything is a satire, a parody, an autotune this or a meme that.

blegh

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