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Ian Lotts
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I think most djs aren't honest about what's going on, I get sick of watching them trot out the same old codswallop about how everything is all rainbows in dance music.

John is honest and upfront about his feelings. I respect that he's willing to speak the truth about how the commercial djs have hurt the dance scene with their inflated fees. He's right about the club scene in the UK, it's gone to hell, that's why the UK djs are flooding into the USA trying to make a buck there.

I reckon John's got real guts coming on here and facing the firing squad, some of you buggers can be brutal sometimes

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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by John 00 Fleming
Ask yourself this question, in your current job would you do three months of work just for the love of it and not take a wage? That’s the amount of work many producers put in a single release and in this day and age with Torrents site they hardly get any return. That’s dedication to their art and I respect that.


This isn't a fair analogy because I keep my work and my art separate. I'm a writer and I do put about three months of work into a short story, then I have to send it off to a multitude of anthologies, competitions or magazines, usually paying £10+ entry fee a pop. I don't make any money from seeing my work published. You might earn £50 for having a story published in a magazine, you might be lucky and win £500-1000 if your story wins a competition, but I don't expect that and I certainly don't do it for the money. In the future I'd like to publish some novels (I suppose the equivalent of releasing an album) and maybe supplement my income with a few grand a year from that, but I accepted long ago that I'm not in it to become rich. I do it entirely to share my work with others. When people tell me they've really enjoyed a piece of my writing that's a massive reward for me.

I have a separate day job that gives me a steady income so I don't have to compromise my art for money. And it's been like this for most writers throughout history. It's the same as music - a few people become famous and earn millions, but even a lot of well respected, award-winning writers aren't rich, and often have to supplement their income with creative writing workshops and live readings. There's never, ever been any money in poetry - nobody ever got into poetry for the money. Same goes for most painters and actors and all other creative pursuits.

So yeah, I sympathise and I empathise, but the need to make money and the ability to make great art have always interfered with each other.


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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This isn't a fair analogy because I keep my work and my art separate. I'm a writer and I do put about three months of work into a short story, then I have to send it off to a multitude of anthologies, competitions or magazines, usually paying £10+ entry fee a pop. I don't make any money from seeing my work published. You might earn £50 for having a story published in a magazine, you might be lucky and win £500-1000 if your story wins a competition, but I don't expect that and I certainly don't do it for the money. In the future I'd like to publish some novels (I suppose the equivalent of releasing an album) and maybe supplement my income with a few grand a year from that, but I accepted long ago that I'm not in it to become rich. I do it entirely to share my work with others. When people tell me they've really enjoyed a piece of my writing that's a massive reward for me.

I have a separate day job that gives me a steady income so I don't have to compromise my art for money. And it's been like this for most writers throughout history. It's the same as music - a few people become famous and earn millions, but even a lot of well respected, award-winning writers aren't rich, and often have to supplement their income with creative writing workshops and live readings. There's never, ever been any money in poetry - nobody ever got into poetry for the money. Same goes for most painters and actors and all other creative pursuits.

So yeah, I sympathise and I empathise, but the need to make money and the ability to make great art have always interfered with each other.


I recognize most of what you say when I look at my friend Lisaya. Having the fun or making tracks he likes is the most important. If a track would have success that's very nice, but scoring a huge hit will be very unlikely. Of course someone needs sort of a goal which is good and makes it even more fun. Without getting a track release it will be difficult to get recognition in the same way that you need a story to be published. People probably not knowing you well could say you only write for getting a story in a big magazine, as others will bash Lisaya's tracks for trying to be like a successful producer.
I always think that if someone does do something for a long time, success can't be the main reason to keep on going.
A hobby mostly will cost more then you earn with it and I guess that's why it's called a hobby.


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Syntonic
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Hey John long time listener & fan. Your essential mix last year was great.I've been out of the trance scene for a while but when I have a thirst for new trance I always trust the JOOF label to still put out quality releases. Haters are gonna hate for all kinds of reasons. It's good to see it doesn't have a negative effect on you. Keep on truckin'

quote:
Originally posted by John 00 Fleming

One prime example is an old friend I spoke to on the phone the other day, Oliver Lieb. He saw the scene head in a super commercial direction, so rather than sell out he took a break until this dust storm settles down.


Sorry for the arbitrary question but did Oliver Lieb say he has some productions in the works or a potential release on the JOOF label
Tell him to post here, he still has a cult following on TA.

You should also assemble a round table of ex-elite trance producers, as a last fcuk you to this watered down market.

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quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Why did you bother posting if this is a "stupid thread"?


Why do you ever bother posting?


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quote:
Originally posted by Syntonic
Sorry for the arbitrary question but did Oliver Lieb say he has some productions in the works or a potential release on the JOOF label
Tell him to post here, he still has a cult following on TA.


You and the rest of the Platipus-massive should probably just go to this to get your fix, tbh:


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Woah I'm speechless. Thanks for ruining my day SandLeaper
People shouldn't pass that up. I also like how they age limit is 25.

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John 00 Fleming
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Thanks for being kind to me here...phheww!
It's nice chatting you all here, makes me feel a little closer to you all. Also great to have a chat/debate as it helps see your view from the other side of the fence.

Answer some of you questions:

1) Oliver Lieb

Good news he's back making music again. He will release these on a new label he's setting up, they should be ready pretty soon. So this is exciting news. He sounds refreshed from his break.

2) System J

I feel your pain too, frustrating industries we're in
Can you help me find those underground events in the North? I love these type of clubs and have been working closely with many across the World. I'd rather play to a room full of people who understand the music than a huge room that doesn't. Promoter presume fee's will be too much, but are pleasantly surprised when we reach out a hand to help them.

In fact if any of you can help me find these clubs across the World, I'll be there!


2) Pzk

You nailed it right there. For a long time I've been saying download prices have been creeping up. They worked at the beginning because they used to be cheap. If they keep them cheap I too think it will make a big difference with people getting the track from a shop, rather than all the hassle of having to find it on Torrent sites (correct file quality etc)

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Fuck Yeah!Exciting news, thanks for the info Oliver Lieb can't wait;its great to see you connect with the trancers here John. Another question I had for you is; are you doing a US Tour in the near future?Back in July 2004 I missed you at Washington DC Cubik @ Nation with Astral Projection and regret it so much. I was there earlier to see a sub-par Tiesto set and kick my ass everytime I look at the flyer I still have. Would you be coming around Chicago or even somewhere in Wisconsin. There is a nice underground scene in Milwaukee and Madison. Speaking of the old flyer it shows how long you have stay true to yourself and haven't strayed too far from your style.

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quote:
Originally posted by John 00 Fleming
1) Oliver Lieb

Good news he's back making music again. He will release these on a new label he's setting up, they should be ready pretty soon. So this is exciting news. He sounds refreshed from his break.


I wouldn't get excited about this. His most recent releases were 2008, and he was producing glitchy minimal. Unless you can confirm that the new label would be trance-oriented?


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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by John 00 Fleming
2) System J

I feel your pain too, frustrating industries we're in
Can you help me find those underground events in the North? I love these type of clubs and have been working closely with many across the World. I'd rather play to a room full of people who understand the music than a huge room that doesn't. Promoter presume fee's will be too much, but are pleasantly surprised when we reach out a hand to help them.


There are a few underground trance/psytrance/etc. promoters around me:

Cabbage (Leeds) http://www.cabbage-leeds.org.uk/
(Just found out from their site that they're putting a night on tomorrow - might head on down!)

Remedy (Leeds) http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=89671807873

Psychoactive (Leeds) http://www.psychoactiverecords.co.uk/

IllumiNaughty (Manchester) http://www.illuminaughty.co.uk/site/

Strange Daze (Manchester) http://www.facebook.com/pages/STRANGE-DAZE/215644568098
(These guys aren't trance promoters as such, but they recently put on Art Of Trance and Union Jack, and you can't argue with those trance credentials, plus they often have local psytrance DJs playing.)

Kulu (Bradford) - Can't even find a website for these guys, but they put on psytrance nights semi-regularly in Bradford, apparently there was one a month or two back. I'm trying to find out more.

There's probably a lot more I haven't even heard of. These guys are always collaborating and sharing DJs and events. I'd love to see you play at this kind of event, and I imagine most J00F fans are the same. There is a great venue in Leeds where many of these events take place, called The Beaver Works. It's a converted factory and it's the epitome of a grimy underground venue. I saw CJ Bolland play a classic techno set there last summer, and Hardfloor are playing there next weekend. I can't imagine how good a proper dark J00F set would sound in that setting.


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> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

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