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Originally posted by DJ Eco One biased niche blogsite quoting some other niche personal (somebody's) blogsite is not what any intelligent person should call "reporting". Those list of demands are some bullshit notes the guy jotted down from hearsay. The "reporting" (I don't even think we should give it the honor of calling it that) on this demonstration has been absolutely ridiculous. [Insert large media outlet here] interviews [insert odd hipster Williamsburg character from Northwestern State here] and generates an entire story full of oddball quotes and pictures. Obviously, they're not going to report any of the intelligent informed people they spoke to there, and obviously they're going to spend hours weeding through their photos for the most wacky and colorful pictures they can put on their site. Articles like these show how the media world are DIRECTLY and proactively fighting the demonstration, it's unbelievable. Business Insider really has the balls to base an entire article and give source credit as "Source: n+1", what the fuck is n+1? Sadly, they're not the only ones doing this kind of "reporting". It's like Yahoo! Sports quoting some guy's blog about what tactics he thinks the New York Giants are going going to take in this week's game, and headlining it "Tom Coughlin's strategies for this week's game."

yea, the wording made it clear it was BS. i would love to see an organized list of actual demands, but it seems that will take them a few more weeks.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Business Insider really has the balls to base an entire article and give source credit as "Source: n+1", what the fuck is n+1? Sadly, they're not the only ones doing this kind of "reporting".

n+1 a quarterly magazine of culture, news, and literature. it's put together by very smart people, most of whom are intellectually sympathetic to the protest.

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the funny thing is that not one person on wall street gives a crap about the protestors - a few buddies of mine that work in the wall street/world financial area say it's just been a source of entertainment for the past few days.

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Originally posted by Konijn n+1 a quarterly magazine of culture, news, and literature. it's put together by very smart people, most of whom are intellectually sympathetic to the protest.

Yeah but the sourced article seems more of an op-ed digital-only piece featured by n+1. My criticism is more on the mainstream media outlets (and articles on sites like the linked Business Insider page) that interview a handful of people and source a handful of hand-selected blogs and articles and claim it as the end-all and be-all. Someone reading the Business Insider page sees the first demand made by the Wall Street as "smashing the Wall Street bull." Obviously no one's gonna take that seriously, who would?

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Originally posted by diabloargentino the funny thing is that not one person on wall street gives a crap about the protestors - a few buddies of mine that work in the wall street/world financial area say it's just been a source of entertainment for the past few days.

of course - the media/bankers all just want this to go away and will do anything they can to marginalize the protesters as hippies with no jobs instead of acknowledging that they're a diverse cross-section of society:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK7I...player_embedded

there's no "liberal" or "conservative" media - only corporate media seeking to protect the status quo.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Yeah but the sourced article seems more of an op-ed digital-only piece featured by n+1. My criticism is more on the mainstream media outlets (and articles on sites like the linked Business Insider page) that interview a handful of people and source a handful of hand-selected blogs and articles and claim it as the end-all and be-all. Someone reading the Business Insider page sees the first demand made by the Wall Street as "smashing the Wall Street bull." Obviously no one's gonna take that seriously, who would?

+1... but this applies to most of the mainstream media in general. It's all biased bullshit.

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Originally posted by matt167698 of course - the media/bankers all just want this to go away and will do anything they can to marginalize the protesters as hippies with no jobs instead of acknowledging that they're a diverse cross-section of society: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK7I...player_embedded there's no "liberal" or "conservative" media - only corporate media seeking to protect the status quo.

actually, the bankers are too busy working 100+ hours a week in excel and powerpoint for $13.46 an hour to know what is going on outside. maybe that metric helps you see why protests become a source of entertainment for many people who don't see the light of day.

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Originally posted by cl0wnz0r actually, the bankers are too busy working 100+ hours a week in excel and powerpoint for $13.46 an hour to know what is going on outside. maybe that metric helps you see why protests become a source of entertainment for many people who don't see the light of day.

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Originally posted by edubbz this goes out to all of those that believe they aren't being affected by this countries' economy and way of governing and that the world is still flat, simply bc they have a job (as of now) that's maintaining them...don't spoil yourself!! bc if you were to be laid off or fired...you think it will be easy for you to find a job right after? and if you luckily do, do you think it will be anything close to what you have now (salary base, schedule/hours, etc)? EVERYONEEEEEEE that's not part of that "1%", which i'm sure is everyone on this board and their mother, should be involved in this..unless you're shitting out $$ and have several mansions off the shore around the world with a private jet to get there while the person next to you is struggling to pay their rent. btw, just to clear things up...i may seem bitter bc i sound butthurt but, thankfully, i have a respectable job with a good pay thats under contract by the state..however, my life would be much better if it weren't being taken advantage of in a country where im producing to help out the economy for it to come back and bite me in the ass!

Why should I be involved with this? I still don't see the point.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Why should I be involved with this? I still don't see the point.

It's not for everyone, I'm of the opinion that there's no sense in convincing people to join and show up at the demonstrations. A whole chunk of the population over 25 and up have never really had any reasons to shout or get angry (I don't know how old you are, so I won't generalize you in either category).

But a lot of us do. Most kids my age know some other kid who we grew up with that has died in the War. Most kids my age are having an incredibly difficult time finding a job right now out of college, and most kids my age have higher student loans to pay than the generation just before us. I would expect that older generation to be a bit indifferent to all the things that are going on now. They've settled in, got their jobs, and for the most part have learned to be happy with what the country gave THEM.

It's different for a whole group of us. I don't really expect people who are unaffected to join in the moment or join in people's anger, but to at least understand where this huge portion of an angry population is coming from. Reading comments on other websites, and seeing 30 year-old bloggers who just finished their golden years telling these kids to "get a job and stop being lazy hippies" really tells a lot about the divide in this country.

Anyway, not to rant on too long. If you're at all interested in some of my views and where I'm coming from, I wrote a semi-long opinion piece on it. I don't expect you to get riled up and go to the demonstration tomorrow, but you may find some reasons peppered in there to at least understand where people are coming from:

Here it is: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?t...uid=21874405157

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Originally posted by DJ Eco It's not for everyone, I'm of the opinion that there's no sense in convincing people to join and show up at the demonstrations. A whole chunk of the population over 25 and up have never really had any reasons to shout or get angry (I don't know how old you are, so I won't generalize you in either category). But a lot of us do. Most kids my age know some other kid who we grew up with that has died in the War. Most kids my age are having an incredibly difficult time finding a job right now out of college, and most kids my age have higher student loans to pay than the generation just before us. I would expect that older generation to be a bit indifferent to all the things that are going on now. They've settled in, got their jobs, and for the most part have learned to be happy with what the country gave THEM. It's different for a whole group of us. I don't really expect people who are unaffected to join in the moment or join in people's anger, but to at least understand where this huge portion of an angry population is coming from. Reading comments on other websites, and seeing 30 year-old bloggers who just finished their golden years telling these kids to "get a job and stop being lazy hippies" really tells a lot about the divide in this country. Anyway, not to rant on too long. If you're at all interested in some of my views and where I'm coming from, I wrote a semi-long opinion piece on it. I don't expect you to get riled up and go to the demonstration tomorrow, but you may find some reasons peppered in there to at least understand where people are coming from: Here it is: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?t...uid=21874405157

I just read your opinion piece and it seems to me like you are a little confused about the importance of profit. Actually, its pretty obvious that you are confused about how an economy grows and prospers in general. Profit is a very important part of a growing economy and the businesses within it. It is what allows the company to continue doing business, pay its workers, pay its employees, invest, and so on. Without profit, you and I and everyone else would not be able to enjoy almost all of the every day things that we do and take for granted, like the computer that you are using, for example.

Getting upset with Wall Street is really missing the big picture. You need to realize that banks wouldn't have been able to help with the rapid increase of home prices the last decade without government support. Same goes for the massive increase in college tuition or even the medical industry. You recognized that the US boomed in the 1800s but then seemed to blame that same private economy for the issues we faced in the 1900s, without ever taking into consideration that the government stepped in and began regulating the hell out of many industries, creating many problems. No one ever wants to blame the root cause of these problems on the government or the Fed for some reason, even though it is staring at them right in the face. We know that when the government gets in the way and "regulates" something, it only makes the issue worse, yet at the same time we say things like "But we still need government or else all hell will break loose." It's a ridiculous mindset that people need to break away from because if we continue down this path where we want the state to hold our hands every step of the way, a lot of the things that we take for granted that I mentioned earlier in this post will not be ours to enjoy anymore.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Getting upset with Wall Street is really missing the big picture. You need to realize that banks wouldn't have been able to help with the rapid increase of home prices the last decade without government support.

I also think getting upset with Wall Street is also a very small picture aspect of it. I see it as the right place to hold a demonstration of this kind and that's it. The media's there, the corporations trade there, and it's as simple as that. Anyone who makes it out to be something more I think is wrong. Short of going to Washington D.C. to voice grievances, you can't really demonstrate in Times Square and demonstrating outside of City Hall doesn't really make sense either. It's an okay platform for people to voice their discontent, it's not the end-all and be-all.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT You need to realize that banks wouldn't have been able to help with the rapid increase of home prices the last decade without government support. Same goes for the massive increase in college tuition or even the medical industry.

See, this is where I think we have a complete difference in opinion. The housing prices boomed because of the extreme ease at which one could get a loan from a bank to pay the demanded price. College prices could go up because of how easy it was for the bank to hand the kid a check for $30,000 each year. The banks lent money out with complete disregard and without ever thinking about the consequences that would ensue if just 10% of those loans could not be paid back. They went haywire, and it was all their fault.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT You recognized that the US boomed in the 1800s but then seemed to blame that same private economy for the issues we faced in the 1900s, without ever taking into consideration that the government stepped in and began regulating the hell out of many industries, creating many problems.

I'm not sure that makes any sense. Most of the problems I listed are due to complete unregulation. I think college tuitions need to be regulated. They're not now, and it's almost a joke how high they are and how much they increase per year. College prices and real estate values are two things that have almost completely no regulation on the part of the government.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I just read your opinion piece and it seems to me like you are a little confused about the importance of profit. Actually, its pretty obvious that you are confused about how an economy grows and prospers in general. Profit is a very important part of a growing economy and the businesses within it. It is what allows the company to continue doing business, pay its workers, pay its employees, invest, and so on. Without profit, you and I and everyone else would not be able to enjoy almost all of the every day things that we do and take for granted, like the computer that you are using, for example.

No I absolutely understand the concepts of profit and basic economics principles. I'm saying that the quest for unprecedented profit margins has become more than just something a business structures itself around, and has made its footprint over so many aspects of our society and even identity as Americans. Things have reached a tipping point where I think it's gone too far. By simply justifying things in an economic sense, our society has quickly been going in a downward spiral; I made short anecdotal examples of how the ripples of our now overly-capitalistic model of society are affecting so many aspects of our lives. If everyone worked a max. of 8 hours a day and salaries were increasing with parity to increases in costs of basic things like food and transportation, I think many of our country's problems would go away.

Many authors and smarter people than myself have discussed for decades what the balance of an economically prosperous nation needs to be relative to the happiness of its citizens. I think we've far surpassed the tipping point in that respect. This will have its own consequences in 5 years or 10 years or 20 years that we can't fully comprehend now. No economics or sociology textbook can fully explain the repercussions of what's going on in our country right now but it's not good. Our population's the most obese, least healthy, and least educated of our counterparts. We're losing math-based jobs to the Asian countrise, and we are not really specialized in anything anymore. We can't make the best cars, we don't train the best engineers, we don't have anything to our name anymore but Wall Street. This will ultimately hurt Wall Street. And I think it was largely dictated by the choices our government made, and the directions taken by the companies that trade on Wall Street. That's why I think this is all relevant. And yes, our government is totally to blame, if not for 75% of it, at least 50%, but for reasons I totally disagree with you on.

Simply stating that profitable corporations will keep this country alive is an outdated argument for the capitalist system.

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