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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Pretty much useless to go to college in this country. Why waste your money or your parents money to do so.

Wrong. My mother worked her entire life, she's about to retire this month, and her salary never broke 30k because she didn't get through college. College is good for one thing: landing your first decent job in your field. After that, everything is based on experience. But without college, you're just another kid who couldn't fucking cut it.

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Originally posted by Banora There are many PhDs out there who can't land a job.

A large reason behind that is that they're overqualified. The only place for a PHD is the university.

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Originally posted by Ian

Dude that's some awesome interests there. I can relate to the grandparents thing as well, my grandpa had this workshop under his house and he could like fix any appliance whatsoever, and just the other day I was helping him re-oil an outboard motor and he was just absolutely useless at it. Pretty sad to go from really useful with your hands to absolutely nothing.

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Originally posted by shaw And to think, it's all undone by a few simple plugs here on TA. Buy Kenmore!

You do know that Whirlpool makes a rather large portion of Kenmore appliances, right... if you buy Kenmore your usually buying Whirlpool, Electrolux, GE, or a handful of others... but mainly whirlpool.

BTW, I manage a bodily injury / casualty claims department for an independent claims adjusting firm

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Originally posted by ziptnf A large reason behind that is that they're overqualified. The only place for a PHD is the university.

And sadly not even there much of the time. So many fields have a glut of PhDs nowadays. I hear it is brutally competitive, which is another thing that turns me off the idea of going into academia: I am not much of a competitive person.

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Originally posted by ziptnf College is good for one thing: landing your first decent job in your field.

I already did that without college... You know as well as anybody in this field that college isn't entirely needed (and some of the most successful dropped out of college very quickly). There is nothing in CS really that requires you to go to school to learn it.

Yes, you managed to get a decent job doing something you like. But you are an exception, since most people aren't completely obsessed with computer programming and especially not in your specific area of interest. Unfortunately, when you decide to do something else, your lack of education will tell companies that you have no skills beyond what you used to do.

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Luckily I am a spoiled person. My parents have let me live on the cheap working on stuff that will benefit me in the future. I don't plan to leave the CS field anytime soon either, and I have a big portfolio in the work I am interested in now, enough so that I have been contacted out of the blue for job offers (which I didn't accept, though one of them is contract work from the parent company of the place in Florida). I am not too worried about moving fields because they are all pretty much within my sphere of influence, which is CS, with a focus on simulation, and within the field of the armed forces.

And if that doesn't pan out I have a few years left to decide if I want to join the military like a few people (here and else where) said I should. That would involve me going to college because I would want to come in as an officer.


Also on the note of parents, my mom dropped out of college in the 1970s and finally picked it back up in about 2006 and graduated in 2009. She still isn't able to find any good jobs outside of retail. Partly though I think its definitely harder on women who don't go to college unfortunately, and her age doesn't help.

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Originally posted by Vector A And sadly not even there much of the time. So many fields have a glut of PhDs nowadays. I hear it is brutally competitive, which is another thing that turns me off the idea of going into academia: I am not much of a competitive person.

i'm a little afraid of this too. i'm kind of hoping to be able to teach at my alma mater... they tend to hire former students a lot, especially in polisci.

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Originally posted by prolikewhoa i'm a little afraid of this too. i'm kind of hoping to be able to teach at my alma mater... they tend to hire former students a lot, especially in polisci.

Teach what?