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Originally posted by cryophonik Here's a blind test to try. Close your eyes and listen to these two songs in random order. No cheating - keep your f###ing eyes closed, dammit. Can you tell the two versions of this song apart? The difference is almost imperceptible, but if you listen enough times, you might be able to tell which one is oozing with groove and which one is oozing with nerdy white boys.

A black band versus a white marching band...Hm...

I DON'T KNOW!

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Kysora I just did, it sounds like.. quarter notes. is this really considered difficult or are you just fucking with me?

most people dont' realize they aren't in time.

play to a metronome. 4 bars of silencee, 4 bars of silence. Record it. Post it. at 100 bpm. But that only tests a certain component.

try doing it at 80 bpm. just tap out quarter notes no metronome.

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Originally posted by Beatflux A black band versus a white marching band...Hm...

Exactly - the two opposing extremes of the groove spectrum. Here's where EDM fits on that groove scale:

Groovy
The Commodores












House




Trance


Marching Band
Not Groovy

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Originally posted by cryophonik Here's a blind test to try. Close your eyes and listen to these two songs in random order. No cheating - keep your f###ing eyes closed, dammit. Can you tell the two versions of this song apart? The difference is almost imperceptible, but if you listen enough times, you might be able to tell which one is oozing with groove and which one is oozing with nerdy white boys.

What the hell are you talking about imperceptible?!?
One is a studio recording of a funk band and the other is a stadium recording of a marching band.

Yes, I cheated a little bit, but only because when I tried to click play with my eyes closed I only opened the page source.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi What the hell are you talking about imperceptible?!? One is a studio recording of a funk band and the other is a stadium recording of a marching band.

Sarcasm

Seriously? That wasn't obvious to you?

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marching bands are a little weird. Like just the spacing, they actually just watch the conductor even tho they are hearing drums that sound out of time and learn to play even tho it sounds they are way behind everyone else.

Although without marching bands, you wouldn't have jazz, you wouldn't have funk and you wouldn't have rock and roll.

Everything we call groove basically comes from funeral marches in the south at the turn of the 20th century.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Sarcasm Seriously? That wasn't obvious to you?

Not really. Sarcasm is usually humorous.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney marching bands are a little weird. Like just the spacing, they actually just watch the conductor even tho they are hearing drums that sound out of time and learn to play even tho it sounds they are way behind everyone else. Although without marching bands, you wouldn't have jazz, you wouldn't have funk and you wouldn't have rock and roll.

I actually played in a marching band for close to ten years, although I'm not familiar with watching the conductor, seeing as I was the stupid guy banging on the snares, and we didn't have a conductor for marching, so it was pretty much up to me to keep the beat of band at a walkable pace. also played battery (as in drum kit), but not while we were marching.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney marching bands are a little weird. Like just the spacing, they actually just watch the conductor even tho they are hearing drums that sound out of time and learn to play even tho it sounds they are way behind everyone else.

They usually are out of time due to the acoustics in the stadium. I don't know if you were ever forced to play in a marching band, but I played trumpet through high school and it's pretty damn tough to keep time with drums that are echoing all over the place, while trying to stay with the routine. Thanks god those days are over.

The bigger point I was trying to make, though, is how rigid and ungroovy their playing is. Whenever I hear a trance track that tries to be groovy and fails, it usually reminds me of a marching band.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi Not really. Sarcasm is usually humorous.

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Originally posted by cryophonik They usually are out of time due to the acoustics in the stadium. I don't know if you were ever forced to play in a marching band, but I played trumpet through high school and it's pretty damn tough to keep time with drums that are echoing all over the place, while trying to stay with the routine. Thanks god those days are over. The bigger point I was trying to make, though, is how rigid and ungroovy their playing is. Whenever I hear a trance track that tries to be groovy and fails, it usually reminds me of a marching band.

my sister does stuff with marching bands in CA like the type that compete in for like the DCI. I also used to play drums and although I was never in a marching band, i was in to all that snare drum stuff so I was aware of it. But ya, way too gay to ever want to be in it. And in CAnada, they don't exist.

I think trance and house have been so distorted that the old definitions don't really apply. I mean wolfgang gartner's Shrunken Head sounds just as much trance as house and it grooves. Every trance dj plays it.

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Shrunken Heads is Electro House, which is about the furthest you get from House while still keeping the House-suffix. And trance being so heavily influenced by 4 year old electro house nowadays, this would fit perfectly in a trance set.

But yeah, trance sucks, and so does electro house. Techno is where it's at.