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Originally posted by PivotTechno

Right. So airports, border crossings, etc. should all employ character detectors so they can check everyone's character when they arrive.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Right. So airports, border crossings, etc. should all employ character detectors so they can check everyone's character when they arrive? You're living in a dream world.

There are techniques that, while requiring extensive training, can be used to detect people who should be given a closer look that completely do away with racial profiling.

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Originally posted by saluyamo But it only counts if they use planes right?

You're really comparing someone who killed 32 people, 168 people, and 13 people, respectively in 3 isolated incidents perpetrated by individuals to the thoroughly planned murder of almost 3,000 by a highly organized network of terrorists? A network which has time and again made it obvious that their main purpose is to kill Americans.

Yeah, same thing.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker There are techniques that, while requiring extensive training, can be used to detect people who should be given a closer look that completely do away with racial profiling.

Character profiling, imo.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Right, but that's a drastic exaggeration of the truth.

Yes. Shallow and pedantic.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 You're really comparing someone who killed 32 people, 168 people, and 13 people, respectively in 3 isolated incidents perpetrated by individuals to the thoroughly planned murder of almost 3,000 by a highly organized network of terrorists? A network which has time and again made it obvious that their main purpose is to kill Americans. Yeah, same thing.

There are more than a few similarities in the thinking of Islamic terrorists and other mass-murderers. McVeigh tried to affiliate himself with hate-groups, here in the United States, many of which mirror the belief systems of terror groups, overseas. While there have been several attacks which dwarf the potency of individuals acting alone, in the United States, making the claim that Muslims pose more of a danger for simply being Muslims is far fetched.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker There are more than a few similarities in the thinking of Islamic terrorists and other mass-murderers. McVeigh tried to affiliate himself with hate-groups, here in the United States, many of which mirror the belief systems of terror groups, overseas. While there have been several attacks which dwarf the potency of individuals acting alone, in the United States, making the claim that Muslims pose more of a danger for simply being Muslims is far fetched.

Public safety trumps individual rights, and I use the term "rights" very loosely because nobody, regardless of ethnicity, has a "right" to not be searched for whatever reason is deemed necessary.

And just to put it out there to head off any ad hominem arguments that are surely coming, and have already been used; being okay with racial profiling does not make one a racist. To think that the people who made these laws are Muslim-hating bigots who are just looking for an excuse to bother Islamic people is quite a hackneyed view.

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Originally posted by Vector A The practical reason profiling sucks is that it diverts a huge amount of time and law enforcement attention. So you are going to examine all the Muslims or "swarthy" people in an airport to catch the one in 100,000 (or whatever) who have violent intent? Well, all the time you spend on questioning the 99,999 / 100,000 non-terrorist Muslims based on a few superficial characteristics is time you are not spending on scanning the airport looking for suspicious behavior.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Public safety trumps individual rights, and I use the term "rights" very loosely because nobody, regardless of ethnicity, has a "right" to not be searched for whatever reason is deemed necessary. And just to put it out there to head off any ad hominem arguments that are surely coming, and have already been used; being okay with racial profiling does not make one a racist. To think that the people who made these laws are Muslim-hating bigots who are just looking for an excuse to bother Islamic people is quite a hackneyed view.

As Vector A has repeated, profiling is wasteful, and that's something I was trying to get at, as well. If you're responsible for providing security for 1,000 (hypothetical number) people, and you investigate 300 people because they are Muslims, you're still wasting time looking for the five (again - hypothetical) who are actually capable of posing a problem.

An example of where the techniques available to law enforcement were completely ignored would be in the Mumbai attacks in India. Law enforcement had ample warning about the master-mind of the attacks, well ahead of time. In part, because he looked white, was an American, and had a non-Muslim name, he was continually allowed to reconnoiter targets in India, as an intelligence asset with Pakistani ISI.

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