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Originally posted by Nadi To be quite honest, I don't know. It's not something I can prove, nor is it something that I have been taught, it's simply something i believe.

ya i know, it was just a joke...
its just like davinox said
"All of the thousands of religions [or beliefs] in the history of the earth were created by man, therefore, it is logical to assume that us humans have no friggin clue of the divine beings. Thats what they are 'divine', out of our reach."

occrider, sounds like you're describing deism to me, thats kind of what i am. that some higher power/being set forth a start and then let it roll according to what he set the foundations as, not twinkering with a thing since then. as if something/someone started the universe and let it go from there... we all know that gravity is a fact (there is a force between any two masses), but why? somewhere this arbitrary fact had to have a start, as if the big bang is where the laws of physics (and biology, chemistry and all other sciences for that matter) started

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Originally posted by Michael Russo And your science argument... obviously you've never studied science at an involved level. By doing so you truly realize the absolute beauty of the world... the care and attention that went into making it. If you don't believe in God, you believe that all this was made randomly. And that is just plain ridiculous... absolutely ridiculous. Look at quantum mechanics... the quantum mechanical model of the atom. How can anyone in their right mind say that this came to be from particles flying randomly together? Because if you don't believe in God, that's what you believe. Ridiculous...

The evolution of plants and animals ridiculous? This is something that has been proven time and time again. I think believing that some THING which no one has seen for who knows how long, some all-powerful father figure spirit in love with everybody, being everywhere at once and watching everyone is much more ridiculous......

The beauty of this world? Sure it might be beautiful to you, only because you don't know any better, and have never known any different. In the scale of the universe, this planet could be the asshole of the galaxy.....

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Originally posted by Izzy ya i know, it was just a joke...

I didn't take any offense from it :P

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Originally posted by Tweak The beauty of this world? Sure it might be beautiful to you, only because you don't know any better, and have never known any different. In the scale of the universe, this planet could be the asshole of the galaxy.....

By the same token, we may live on one of the most beuitful planets in the universe. It's not worth debating, until we have a greater understanding in the way the universe functions and its overall geography.

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Originally posted by Tweak The evolution of plants and animals ridiculous? This is something that has been proven time and time again. I think believing that some THING which no one has seen for who knows how long, some all-powerful father figure spirit in love with everybody, being everywhere at once and watching everyone is much more ridiculous...... The beauty of this world? Sure it might be beautiful to you, only because you don't know any better, and have never known any different. In the scale of the universe, this planet could be the asshole of the galaxy.....

yet... the theory of human evolution has not been proven right, time and time again, the findings of bones thousands of years ago has been found to be NOT linked to humans...

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Originally posted by Michael Russo Nesher, you're a very confused individual... you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The arguments you bring up SUCK, but people like you buy them... You know why, because you're "dumb".

Better word would be just plain ignorant..


Nesher/God/whatever your name is answer the question.....whether you believe in God is up to you..but remember this if you question WHY, WHAT, WHEN...who are you asking? And if you don't have any questions cause you don't believe..then are you GOD?

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Originally posted by Nadi I won't try to convince other people that I'm right. But I think everyone got the hole religion thing wrong. It was actually best said in the movie dogma. I forget the exact line, but essentially they said that all the branches were wrong, it's all to superficial and the real important stuff got lost. God doesnt care if you think the garden of eden was in salt lake city, nor does he care if you believe in the pope and not some other random guy. All he cares about is that you live your life morally and arn't a total fucktard. I mean seriouslly if everyone was worshiping you, would you really give a rats ass if they called themselves muslims or jews? No religious group is chosen, we are all chosen, and given the gift of life.

well put..

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Originally posted by Arbiter The only remotely compelling reason I can see to believe in God is a fear of punishment. But I'm not a coward. If the things I'm doing are wrong, then it is not I who have failed: given finite information and a finite intellect, I came to the most logical conclusion. Instead, it is He, for He has not provided me with sufficient information to rationally justify belief in him. If He would punish me for coming to the most reasonable conclusion, then I don't see Him as being deserving of worship anyway.

Faith my friend...the very idea to believe in something that is not there..for you do not have all the answers and surely even you know that..Faith lets all of us have the ability to grow and learn how to live in this world in a manner that is just..Do you blame your father for all your wrong doings...Do you think it is your fathers responsibility to teach you every little thing about life..seriously there wouldn't be enough time in the world and you would probably wind up hating your own father cause he sometimes couldn't give you all the answers..i'm sure sometimes he has said things you didn't want to hear..but he did it for your sake..i would hope that it is you who recognized what your actions were and as a good human being realized there would be consequences and eventually learn from those very mistakes..and if you do point the finger at everyone around you for your mistakes then surely you would be a coward..My point is don't blame GOD for what YOU have done wrong and then expect him to teach you..he has nothing to prove to you just as your own father wouldn't..the same bond your father should or would have with you is the same bond God wants with his children..remember this..even the smartest man in this world does not have all the answers..if he did then most of the ignorant people of this earth would believe that he is GOD..If that was the case then there would be no faith..without faith and hope on earth i could clearly see this world coming to an end..so believe what you want..it's simple and you sound like a smart person..if you don't believe in God then basically you don't believe in your own family..

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Originally posted by guetag I Believe God gave us the most important thing in our life CHOICE

Choice=freewill...if God chose everyone in this world to be just like him...then we would all be puppets without choice..

Guetag that word explains it all my friend..

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Originally posted by a-aplz I can talk to God.

I can talk to the tooth fairy and the easter bunny too...

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