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Originally posted by djRyan Jonathon I think anyone who actually likes progressive should all go together and form www.prog-addict.com, hehehe, cause tranceaddict is no place to talk about that noise........well now thats rather flammin of me hehehehe

The adress you recomended : www.prog-addict.com doesn't work?

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Originally posted by TranceCluber just do your dues in trance ..dont worry about progressive one bit it will come to you by its self garenteed!!!

I think you've hit the nail clean on the head here, TranceCluber.

Mate, this is a music discussion and it seems like most people are bored with the trance that'sbeing played at the moment. So people start discussing about progressive.

i feel the same, im not realy into progressive yet all the good threads are on it.

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the reason why im saying this is because 90% of progressive fans were usually into trance long before they got into progressive never vise versa ..youll never see a progressive fan stop listening to progressive and get into epic trance...

That statement may sound kinda belittling to some hard core trance lovers, but strangely this is exactly how I feel. It took me about 18 months or so of listening to all sorts of trance (hard, uplifting, GOA, etc.) to start appreciating the prog. genre a little bit more and more. I do appreciate it a great deal now, as well as some producers of the D&B genre like LTJ Bukem's ambient stuff, or even a little Dara. It's just all the trance buildups, bells and whistles become a little repetitive on the ear after a while to me. However, I still listen to it at times, just to get a quick "rush" while driving home. PVD still has the trance genre locked down tight in my opinion, and I still couldn't get enough of him. There are some others that I still enjoy as well, but for the most part, it all tends to sound a little like this:

techno and trance sound


Here in the states though, prog. has that good bass with a slower BPM that a lot of people tend to get into a little more. It tends to be a closer relative to House, which is huge here.

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Originally posted by Vesa Congratulations for a good analogy. It makes it easier to discuss this subject further. I think I have a possible explanation. But it's going to be very long. Much too long for most readers. Sorry. Some problems just do not permit a short and easy explanation. There are two aspects of the music hobby. First, everybody has a personal favourite soundscape that he likes to hear for enjoyment (i.e. people get good feelings from their favourite genre). Second, there's analysis of artistic values in music, which appeals to intelligence instead of feelings. This analytical aspect may be partly independent of personal preference (i.e. it's objective to some extent). Those who are studying aesthetics of arts can probably explain this in a more rigorous fashion (I don't have such education so I'm only talking about this based on common sense). People develop their own favourite soundscape during some part of their life. I don't know if it's partly innate, or is developed entirely during the childhood, or develops throughout a person's life. Let's take a couple of stereotypes as examples: the favourite soundscape of Africans is drums playing complex rhythms; the favourite soundscape of European bourgeois circles is Western melodic music. Of course, these are just stereotypes, and apply only to part of the population. But nevertheless people learn to appreciate those kind of musical elements which are prevalent in their culture. I don't know if the favourite soundscape changes during the different stages of the life span, or if it's quite constant. At least it's well-known that each generation has their own soundscape, so that would suggest that the favourite soundscape is learned very early in life, and will not change much after that. Thus I predict that electronica fans will be listening to similar music even when they are 70 years old. The soundscapes of melodic trance and progressive are very different. Trance fans like melodies, changes of intensity, layers of sounds and basic 4/4 beat. Progressive is a much more versatile genre. It's hard to say, but I think some of the most appealing elements are groovy rhythm, forward-moving basslines, idiosyncratic strange sounds, introduction of musical elements in complex mathematical ways, radical changes during the tune (i.e. changing the focus from one musical element to another). Because the soundscapes are so different it's likely that a progressive person will never change to trance. He gets good feelings from the progressive soundscape, and there are very few of those elements in melodic trance. On the other hand. there may be some similar elements in house and techno, so progressive people probably get good feelings from some house and techno tracks. As mentioned in previous posts, all evidence we have supports this prediction. So the question is why a trance person can change to progressive and never go back? The answer can be found in the other aspect of music hobby: progressive appeals to the intelligent mind. Here the satisfaction comes from analysing the artistic values in progressive. Note the difference between feeling and intelligence here. It's very familiar to me. Before I got to know the world of electronica, I played ordinary music with guitar. For 10 years my favourite soundscape was always the same: melodic improvisation based on European folk music. That was the only kind of music that ever appealed to my feelings. But much of the stuff I played was different, and was targeted to my intelligent mind: I explored everything from Argentinian tango to classical music, from heavy rock to flamenco, from blues to modern jazz. Quite typical for a guitarist. I simply wanted to discover all different types of musical elements. I think it's the same with people who change from trance to progressive. They do it because of the wider variety of artistic elements in progressive. I suspect they will soon move on to other genres like drum & bass and techno. They are still in the middle of their musical exploration. That's why they are enthusiastic about progressive because it offers such a wide variety of musical possibilities. But only a small percentage will stick to progressive forever (i.e. those who find it to appeal to both their feelings and intelligence, perhaps Sasha and Diggers are in this category). If progressive fans didn't know that trance exists, and suddenly trance emerged, many of them would probably move from progressive to trance because it would be a new interesting musical world. I think this phenomenon actually happened back in 1999 when many fans of other genres moved to trance. Now it's unlikely to happen again because trance has been criticized so heavily that social pressure forbids progressive fans to hear it. The current trance DJ scene is another reason. Superstar DJs are now supposed to play all new promos, instead of trying to combine melodic tracks into an artistic set, which tells a musical story. If there was more artistic trance DJing, I think some progressive fans would indeed move to trance. Proof: When trance was huge in 1999, trance DJ sets were seen differently. Oakenfold's classical mixes were seen as artistic wholes, and not just a string of random new tracks. OK, that's it. The point in my post was that there is a small group of trance and progressive fans who are going to stick to their genre forever. They listen to the genre because they get the best feelings from it. There are also other kind of people who explore many different genres, always on the lookout for new type of musical elements which appeal to their intelligence. Currently progressive is the logical stepping stone after trance in this musical exploration. But if trance wasn't in a state of turmoil, then some people would also move from progressive to trance because after all, trance offers some musical elements which are not present in progressive. I'll elaborate later on in another post about why Dutch trance producers and DJs are NOT musically inferior or commercial. For now it suffices to say that they are subject to the same kind of musical change and exploration as proponents of progressive. Dutch trance circles are NOT standing still.

wow bravo! excellent post, very well thought out and i agree with it completely.


were you a psychology major by any chance?

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Originally posted by Vesa Congratulations for a good analogy. It makes it easier to discuss this subject further. I think I have a possible explanation. But it's going to be very long. Much too long for most readers. Sorry. Some problems just do not permit a short and easy explanation. There are two aspects of the music hobby. First, everybody has a personal favourite soundscape that he likes to hear for enjoyment (i.e. people get good feelings from their favourite genre). Second, there's analysis of artistic values in music, which appeals to intelligence instead of feelings. This analytical aspect may be partly independent of personal preference (i.e. it's objective to some extent). Those who are studying aesthetics of arts can probably explain this in a more rigorous fashion (I don't have such education so I'm only talking about this based on common sense). People develop their own favourite soundscape during some part of their life. I don't know if it's partly innate, or is developed entirely during the childhood, or develops throughout a person's life. Let's take a couple of stereotypes as examples: the favourite soundscape of Africans is drums playing complex rhythms; the favourite soundscape of European bourgeois circles is Western melodic music. Of course, these are just stereotypes, and apply only to part of the population. But nevertheless people learn to appreciate those kind of musical elements which are prevalent in their culture. I don't know if the favourite soundscape changes during the different stages of the life span, or if it's quite constant. At least it's well-known that each generation has their own soundscape, so that would suggest that the favourite soundscape is learned very early in life, and will not change much after that. Thus I predict that electronica fans will be listening to similar music even when they are 70 years old. The soundscapes of melodic trance and progressive are very different. Trance fans like melodies, changes of intensity, layers of sounds and basic 4/4 beat. Progressive is a much more versatile genre. It's hard to say, but I think some of the most appealing elements are groovy rhythm, forward-moving basslines, idiosyncratic strange sounds, introduction of musical elements in complex mathematical ways, radical changes during the tune (i.e. changing the focus from one musical element to another). Because the soundscapes are so different it's likely that a progressive person will never change to trance. He gets good feelings from the progressive soundscape, and there are very few of those elements in melodic trance. On the other hand. there may be some similar elements in house and techno, so progressive people probably get good feelings from some house and techno tracks. As mentioned in previous posts, all evidence we have supports this prediction. So the question is why a trance person can change to progressive and never go back? The answer can be found in the other aspect of music hobby: progressive appeals to the intelligent mind. Here the satisfaction comes from analysing the artistic values in progressive. Note the difference between feeling and intelligence here. It's very familiar to me. Before I got to know the world of electronica, I played ordinary music with guitar. For 10 years my favourite soundscape was always the same: melodic improvisation based on European folk music. That was the only kind of music that ever appealed to my feelings. But much of the stuff I played was different, and was targeted to my intelligent mind: I explored everything from Argentinian tango to classical music, from heavy rock to flamenco, from blues to modern jazz. Quite typical for a guitarist. I simply wanted to discover all different types of musical elements. I think it's the same with people who change from trance to progressive. They do it because of the wider variety of artistic elements in progressive. I suspect they will soon move on to other genres like drum & bass and techno. They are still in the middle of their musical exploration. That's why they are enthusiastic about progressive because it offers such a wide variety of musical possibilities. But only a small percentage will stick to progressive forever (i.e. those who find it to appeal to both their feelings and intelligence, perhaps Sasha and Diggers are in this category). If progressive fans didn't know that trance exists, and suddenly trance emerged, many of them would probably move from progressive to trance because it would be a new interesting musical world. I think this phenomenon actually happened back in 1999 when many fans of other genres moved to trance. Now it's unlikely to happen again because trance has been criticized so heavily that social pressure forbids progressive fans to hear it. The current trance DJ scene is another reason. Superstar DJs are now supposed to play all new promos, instead of trying to combine melodic tracks into an artistic set, which tells a musical story. If there was more artistic trance DJing, I think some progressive fans would indeed move to trance. Proof: When trance was huge in 1999, trance DJ sets were seen differently. Oakenfold's classical mixes were seen as artistic wholes, and not just a string of random new tracks. OK, that's it. The point in my post was that there is a small group of trance and progressive fans who are going to stick to their genre forever. They listen to the genre because they get the best feelings from it. There are also other kind of people who explore many different genres, always on the lookout for new type of musical elements which appeal to their intelligence. Currently progressive is the logical stepping stone after trance in this musical exploration. But if trance wasn't in a state of turmoil, then some people would also move from progressive to trance because after all, trance offers some musical elements which are not present in progressive. I'll elaborate later on in another post about why Dutch trance producers and DJs are NOT musically inferior or commercial. For now it suffices to say that they are subject to the same kind of musical change and exploration as proponents of progressive. Dutch trance circles are NOT standing still.

Man excellent post ur a genious.
I exactly think the same, bad thing is that I can't express it so good in English like you.
R.E.S.P.E.C.T. !

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I've started listening to prog, but I still listen to trance. WHATS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT LISTENING TO BOTH? Anyway, does anybody have a good website for up-to-date news about prog artists and perhaps a forum? I'd be interested.

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WOW... Vesa that was truly something, you just made my day... I agree 100%

cheers,

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Originally posted by EbolaCola I've started listening to prog, but I still listen to trance. WHATS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT LISTENING TO BOTH? Anyway, does anybody have a good website for up-to-date news about prog artists and perhaps a forum? I'd be interested.

http://www.progressive-sounds.com/

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Originally posted by AndReAz The adress you recomended : www.prog-addict.com doesn't work?

A joke if u will