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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's more the fact he's taking the bullshit proclamations of someone called "DragonsEmerald" as somehow reliable. In the best part of 20 years in this congealed mess we call a scene, the biggest constant I've seen is people bullshitting based on misunderstanding, misinformation or just plain speculation to make themselves appear knowledge or cool or somehow more exclusive than everyone else. This track isn't on Discogs. It will never be found. The tracklists of the 1990s are stuffed with test presssings, demo versions and unreleased oddities that will never come to light. Why waste so much energy on this particular one?

DragonsEmerald was a big user and buyer/seller of rare records back in the day on this very forum from my investigations. He had many rare items. time frame wise I *think* before discogs was even mainstream so based on that and that alone I do think he was being genuine. If i recall things like Marillion or Krystal he had for sale on here.

Correct me if I am wrong but when I did look into this heavily looking back that was my conclusion. If you knew him as a bullshitter on the forum from back in the day please do expand.

I do not subscribe to the attitude that things are impossible, and that goes for anything in life. It's only impossible when you do not at least try. If you try then at least your giving yourself a chance to do the impossible.

A lot of these records there are no clips of them, so I would rather take the chance to find a unknown track anyway, or one I missed back in the day as I have pretty much every other record that is known. So it's fun and I get that buzz back about buying vinyl. Stumbling upon THAT ID would be a happy accident but it's not the main focus of why I am buying records anymore.

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Logically, the only way he could know the identity of the record is if someone he personally knew had it and played it to him to confirm it, but never told anyone else. Whether or not he bought a load of other Oakey rarities doesn't make that incredibly unlikely possibility more likely.

EDIT: Also, the fact that nothing more has been heard on the subject from the guy in 15+ years since he made the claim should cast doubt on his accuracy.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Logically, the only way he could know the identity of the record is if someone he personally knew had it and played it to him to confirm it, but never told anyone else. Whether or not he bought a load of other Oakey rarities doesn't make that incredibly unlikely possibility more likely. EDIT: Also, the fact that nothing more has been heard on the subject from the guy in 15+ years since he made the claim should cast doubt on his accuracy.

I mean it is a thin thread of hope I agree. I think he actually said his friend had it as a white label promo from Germany with a reaction sheet. Oakenfold himself confirmed it was a blank white label (again though how accurate would that be who knows).

So it is a very thin possibility I based the theory on but it has happily morphed into a discovery of some actually quite good tracks I would otherwise never have found.

As I say it's faded into the background as the main focus of buying up random tracks, I just have fun with getting stuff now I have no idea what to expect. The frequency has declined since Covid I rarely buy at all now.

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Originally posted by the-sixth Well as you can see i narrowed it down to 10. I have started a giant list of literally any white label that is classed as psy, goa, trance from 1994-00 I am only doing that because someone in here (DragonsEmerald) claimed to have it in his wantlist on cogs thus it must be in cogs. He would not give the name. Grown men protecting names of other peoples tracks is quite sad

It's definitely not no 3 on your list - 12,000 Micograms is on beatport - https://www.beatport.com/track/1200...ginal-mix/66119

and the GMS track is on youtube.

Also not no 6 - Transient VII is on youtube in full too

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Originally posted by vampirul_18 have you tried to get a response from DragonsEmerald ? http://avb.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...28#.Wfn7IGi0PIW

@ The Sixth, Did you ever end up trying to contact him?

It's still cool to see people are trying to help hunt these down... I'm hopeful it'll happen one day!

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Originally posted by Lews @ The Sixth, Did you ever end up trying to contact him?

"I got various details including the name, but I'm telling none of you." Fuckin' lol, if that doesn't scream, "I'm bullshitting you," I dunno what would.

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Originally posted by Lews @ The Sixth, Did you ever end up trying to contact him?

I did I tried Pm here, discogs and basically anyone with a username like it on the entire internet never got a response.

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Originally posted by idoru "I got various details including the name, but I'm telling none of you." Fuckin' lol, if that doesn't scream, "I'm bullshitting you," I dunno what would.

Yeah I mean you can take that attitude/road or you can try to move forward. The only way to guarantee failure is to do nothing.

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Originally posted by keithos27 It's still cool to see people are trying to help hunt these down... I'm hopeful it'll happen one day!

You were posting in the same threads when this DragonsEmerald user was. Do you recall if they were genuine or not? Were they active on DC++ hub? Selling rare records?

And being such a big Oakey collector did you ever get even a sniff of a clue about this record?

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Originally posted by the-sixth You were posting in the same threads when this DragonsEmerald user was. Do you recall if they were genuine or not? Were they active on DC++ hub? Selling rare records? And being such a big Oakey collector did you ever get even a sniff of a clue about this record?

DE and I used to chat via MSN Messenger or something quite a bit back in the day - but this is like 15+ years ago at this point so my memory is a bit hazy. I think he even sold me a record once so I do believe that he's pretty legit. Can't prove much, but I don't have any reason to believe he would lie. But hey, who knows...

I, personally, have no leads on this track unfortunately.

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