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Originally posted by rattymouse Thank you very much for posting the Frankie Knuckles tune. Very very beautiful. I lived in Chicago 42 years and never knew about House music during that time. Imagine my regret. But Eric Prydz's music sounds nothing like this. That is why I dont see it as House music. Here's my favorite from him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXjYpcvMatw

House music just like Trance has been raped to shred. It's been commercially exploited to the nth degree. Most people don't even know that FK was the god father of house music. He made house music. I love both House and Trance but Trance a bit more because it's my energy to keep pushing on.

Prydz is more Anthem House, something of a European invention (UK? Italy? Belgium? Why not all??), which has little to do with OG Chicago House beyond both using the classic four-to-the-floor rhythm. A lot of Eurotrance ended up adopting Anthem House's liberal use of, um, anthems (the big snare rolls and crescendo hooks), hence why they've sometimes been interchangeable throughout the years (and called Progressive House by lazy online marketers).

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Originally posted by Sykonee Prydz is more Anthem House, something of a European invention (UK? Italy? Belgium? Why not all??), which has little to do with OG Chicago House beyond both using the classic four-to-the-floor rhythm. A lot of Eurotrance ended up adopting Anthem House's liberal use of, um, anthems (the big snare rolls and crescendo hooks), hence why they've sometimes been interchangeable throughout the years (and called Progressive House by lazy online marketers).

Isn't Chicago House crafting new music from existing records? Either laying drum tracks over classic soul tunes or mixing two on top of each other? Today's House music is not made this way, as far as I understand it.

What exactly do you mean by "today's house music"?

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Last edited by wotyzoid on Oct-20-2018 at 13:42

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Originally posted by rattymouse Isn't Chicago House crafting new music from existing records? Either laying drum tracks over classic soul tunes or mixing two on top of each other? Today's House music is not made this way, as far as I understand it.

No, Chicago House was mostly created from existing hardware - Roland drum machines (especially the 909, not to mention the little silver box that gave birth to Acid House), Rhodes keyboards, a dude giving a monologue, and the like. DJs may have mashed a Chicago House record with a soul record during a set, but that's about the extent of it.

However, as the genre caught on, the gear became more prevalent, and people all over the globe tried their hand at making the Chicago sound, they often raided acappellas of soul and disco songs for sampling (they *loved* Loleatta Holloway acappellas). Once this caught on, American house producers did it as well. The classic 'jack-jack-jackin' Chicago sound was pretty much dead by '92, its sound coming off dated compared to the advances in music production, a relic of a scene in its primordial state.

Naturally, it came back in the mid-'00s, thanks to the power of retro.

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Last edited by Sykonee on Oct-20-2018 at 12:06

Frankie Knuckles did germinate the idea of house by playing a drum machine under disco records and then making/playing tougher edits when new disco releases dried up at the start of the 80s. The first proper house records were more or less made from scratch though, using cheap gear that allowed kids in their bedrooms to make polyphonic dance records without getting ten session musicians into a studio, as disco required.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid What exactly do you mean by "today's house music"?

House music produced today.

You would be wrong in that assertion, house music today is made all kinds of different ways. Sample based, Purely made through gear or computer, infused with real instruments, vocal, instrumental, take your pick.

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Originally posted by rattymouse Isn't Chicago House crafting new music from existing records?

Sweeping generalizations like this will not help your understanding. Much like sampling had a heavy influence in hip-hop, sampling is not what defines it. The associations of continuity between house and say disco, soul and funk are more of a spiritual, esoteric nature and not based on methodology. "Chicago house was new music influenced by existing records" is more accurate and digestible.

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Last edited by wotyzoid on Oct-20-2018 at 19:07

Maybe it's better to just not get into trance music after all.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid You would be wrong in that assertion, house music today is made all kinds of different ways. Sample based, Purely made through gear or computer, infused with real instruments, vocal, instrumental, take your pick. Sweeping generalizations like this will not help your understanding. Much like sampling had a heavy influence in hip-hop, sampling is not what defines it. The associations of continuity between house and say disco, soul and funk are more of a spiritual, esoteric nature and not based on methodology. "Chicago house was new music influenced by existing records" is more accurate and digestible.

It was a QUESTION. See the question mark in my text? What I wrote was not a generalization. I asked the question because virtually every song I see from Frankie Knuckles is some old soul song with a drum track laid over it.

I answered your question, asshole.

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