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Originally posted by g-money good post by mark and the greener. first of all frost both these guys are right. u also said that u gave up your rane for a djm which is fine but i would like to know why would u do that and second i have a life dude i dj weekly at 2 lounge in vancouver and also i play at raves so i have a pretty busy life buddy. Death threats is part of the internet. everybody likes to talk trash man.

THe reason i got rid of the Rane was for a few reasons....I didnt like the EQ's, I didnt like power plug(wall wart style), I also did'nt realy like the cross fader....Though if i ever had enough money id prolly buy a rane mp/xp2016 and a ttm56 then i would have the best of both worlds...I haven tried the v6 but it realy looks nice sooo i may prefer it too the rane...but far as battle im gonna go with the ttm56.

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Originally posted by fr0st And as for cost...Well price dont mean shit ya know how many cheep guitar pedals i own that have their own unique sound? Alot. And if you need a 2000dollar mixer to sit in your room on some small monitors...well thats just a waste cuzz the normal ear cant realy tell...

what about an ear from an audiophile?

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And you proved everything i said. You people are sooo predictable.

greener wouldn't be saying anything if he didn't had that much experience using all those equipment. what else would you have expected him to say? that he hadn't used any equipment before and that he should just agree with everything you stated?

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As far as equipment goes yeah its great you may have owned a lot of gear......but its all a waste unless you know how to use it...

and who said he didn't know how to use them?
don't make assumptions, it only makes you look bad.

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Originally posted by fr0st THe reason i got rid of the Rane was for a few reasons....I didnt like the EQ's, I didnt like power plug(wall wart style), I also did'nt realy like the cross fader....Though if i ever had enough money id prolly buy a rane mp/xp2016 and a ttm56 then i would have the best of both worlds...I haven tried the v6 but it realy looks nice sooo i may prefer it too the rane...but far as battle im gonna go with the ttm56.

Ya that rane is tha bomb man that would be my second choice of mixer if i didn't buy my a&h xone 62. If u had so much talent in those instrument U should start making your tunes man. If i knew how to play those instrument i would go out and spend thousands and thousands of dollars on equipment just to make my own tunes to play at my gigs and share the wealth with my buddy's.

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Originally posted by fr0st Ok well lets see if your music expeiences out do mine im 20 years old my father was a proffessor at the university of miami, in music theory. I started playing sax when i was 5.. proceeded to the play double reed instruments in middle school(bassoon/ oboe)....Oh and i started playing the piano at about 8..Well that backs up my musical ability... And as for cost...Well price dont mean shit ya know how many cheep guitar pedals i own that have their own unique sound? Alot. And if you need a 2000dollar mixer to sit in your room on some small monitors...well thats just a waste cuzz the normal ear cant realy tell...And you proved everything i said. You people are sooo predictable. As far as equipment goes yeah its great you may have owned a lot of gear......but its all a waste unless you know how to use it...Ive owned prolly bout 20 instruments.. far as studio gear...well since i decided not to major in music... i dont realy have much cept for a few guitars(gibson les paul studio, 67' fender strat), Bassoon(shrieber sp?), Kurzweil PCX(its much for space saving then having a upright), yamaha dx7, Logic 5+ a few soft syths..Also own a Sax, flute and a violin(i realy wanted to learn but never had the time to fit it in)

Wow you just embarassed yourself even more!!!

Dude your father is your DJ Partner?? Your age yes proves I am right. Your musical ability by being your dads school boy??ahahaha don't lie man if you dad was a professor of music, you grew up HATING Piano, and even HATED more your days with pansey ass woodwinds. You prove it by admitting this is not your line of work, and trust me I couldn't agree more!!

Saxaphone and piano in grade school qualify you to be a pro?? You must of had a real good box of cracker jacks that day!!! Your Gibson is OK My Les Paul is a 1976 Goldtop Deluxe and has a maple neck. Fenders are shit, unless you carve the thing to shreads which I doubt you got the balls to do. My Ibanez JM7P will out play, stay in tune and Dive BOMB way after your fender is so outta a tune even an H3000SE can't keep it alive. Now you are praising your ability to set up stomp boxes???? I have used every available stomp box made. Guess what they have all ended up in the trash can(not because of my dissaproval BUT because they all fall apart!) My bros. still owns a Tube Screamer with the Curcuit board hanging by wires but that one is still a keeper!I own 2 ADA MP-1's currently, one for spare and paid $250 for BOTH!!( YES YOU ARE FINALLY RIGHT, I DID GET SOMETHING CHEAP THAT KICKS-ASS!! BUT Those preamps cost $1100 Can each new, I have the reciept to prove it. I have owned three in my time. Oh.... I might add that my Simul-Class 295 has over powered every venue I've played.Oh I got that for cheap too only 4 X the price of your dream mixer. Its seen two sets of tubes since Ive been its Master. I Plan on getting a Strategy 400 soon but not for gutair.

My gig bag is full of Vacuum tubes, xlr's, mics, select organic greens and alcohol. You gig bag is full of 9-volt batteries and lolipops.

At your age when your blowing your woods, we were peeling the plaster of the walls with my Mesa in skid row drinking holes.

Don't you go try to say that just because I have the gear means I think have the gratness OR even suggest that I didn't work for every fuqn rack space I have filled.

I mix through speakers, not through my mouth.

You thought you could trash talk first and back it with your musical theory and lack of knowledge and experience.

you just humiliated yourself, I hope all your buddies read this!!!

You are the POSER dude not me!!!!

This is only a fraction of shit I own and will back it up 110%.... guess what dung head...... I don't bullshit

Wow.......

Now that dude is dUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMb

I've met cats and dogs smarter than that dUDe.

The Rane mixer is too good for that dude. I will contact Rane personally to see if we can get our board back.

The Allen & Heath was obviously way too complicated for him as he states his dissapointment thats its not furnished with an effects loop what a Class One Moroon as which one would ruin that mixer all together.

His reviews on Mixers fail to give the reader a test bench or medium only because he is too embarassed to tell??? Probably somthing JVC or equivilent.

He doesn't even use comparisons, experience or any reference with his criteria but gives spoiled cry-baby reviews "I don't like this, I don't like that" with no evidence he has even used other brands, and then has the attitude like people should just believe him because his Pop is a Proffessor in music "Theory" Obviously he didn't get enough of his Fathers theory upside his head or possibly he got to much!!

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Originally posted by g-money Ya that rane is tha bomb man that would be my second choice of mixer if i didn't buy my a&h xone 62. If u had so much talent in those instrument U should start making your tunes man. If i knew how to play those instrument i would go out and spend thousands and thousands of dollars on equipment just to make my own tunes to play at my gigs and share the wealth with my buddy's.

I'm still studying music although it isnt my main subject..Computer Science is....But I may change my major....But to make it in the music bussiness is realy hard.

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Originally posted by fr0st I gotta say i have mixed on a rane for bout 2 years....well anyway i just sold the Rane and purchased a DJM-600. Is the quality good? Yes. Are the Effects good? Yes.....would you notice a differnce in sound quality vs allen & heath/rane/stanton vrm-10 in a home enviroment/studio? Yes but the difference is sooo negligible that the untrained ear wouldn't even notice. Not to mention each mixer realy has its own unique sound...The faders on the Rane and a&h are much better, but if you need a smooth fader to mix properly you shouldnt realy be mixing....And on another note i think the rane rotary mixer has the best tone, but then again i havent used the new a&h one...sooo its all probaly just personal preference....All and all if you want a realy nice mixer that can realy do it all the pioneer is the way to go... If you wanna be a snob and use "only what the pros use, in a realy realy big club enviroment" get the a&h or rane or stanton you wont regret it... PS: The rane and the pioneer(not sure bout the stanton) both have effects loops while the A&h doesnt not....I had a realy hard time picking the mixer i wanted but then i tried each of them out the and i found the pioneer to suit me...Again i cant stress this enough the pioneer has realy good sound quality...and the only person who may notice a difference is a true audiofile running a realy realy good amp/speaker combo.

If you would have read my other post you would have seen why i picked the pioneer over a rane or a&h there is no doubt those mixers have better sound quality. And I said your mixer is all personal preference..If you need a expensive mixer/equipment to sound good then go for it....Oh and i havent seen you post shit about a mixer either you have flamed me or you have flamed a mixer you havent even heard live...

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Originally posted by The Greener Wow you just embarassed yourself even more!!! Dude your father is your DJ Partner?? Your age yes proves I am right. Your musical ability by being your dads school boy??ahahaha don't lie man if you dad was a professor of music, you grew up HATING Piano, and even HATED more your days with pansey ass woodwinds. You prove it by admitting this is not your line of work, and trust me I couldn't agree more!! Saxaphone and piano in grade school qualify you to be a pro?? You must of had a real good box of cracker jacks that day!!! Your Gibson is OK My Les Paul is a 1976 Goldtop Deluxe and has a maple neck. Fenders are shit, unless you carve the thing to shreads which I doubt you got the balls to do. My Ibanez JM7P will out play, stay in tune and Dive BOMB way after your fender is so outta a tune even an H3000SE can't keep it alive. Now you are praising your ability to set up stomp boxes???? I have used every available stomp box made. Guess what they have all ended up in the trash can(not because of my dissaproval BUT because they all fall apart!) My bros. still owns a Tube Screamer with the Curcuit board hanging by wires but that one is still a keeper!I own 2 ADA MP-1's currently, one for spare and paid $250 for BOTH!!( YES YOU ARE FINALLY RIGHT, I DID GET SOMETHING CHEAP THAT KICKS-ASS!! BUT Those preamps cost $1100 Can each new, I have the reciept to prove it. I have owned three in my time. Oh.... I might add that my Simul-Class 295 has over powered every venue I've played.Oh I got that for cheap too only 4 X the price of your dream mixer. Its seen two sets of tubes since Ive been its Master. I Plan on getting a Strategy 400 soon but not for gutair. My gig bag is full of Vacuum tubes, xlr's, mics, select organic greens and alcohol. You gig bag is full of 9-volt batteries and lolipops. At your age when your blowing your woods, we were peeling the plaster of the walls with my Mesa in skid row drinking holes. Don't you go try to say that just because I have the gear means I think have the gratness OR even suggest that I didn't work for every fuqn rack space I have filled. I mix through speakers, not through my mouth. You thought you could trash talk first and back it with your musical theory and lack of knowledge and experience. you just humiliated yourself, I hope all your buddies read this!!! You are the POSER dude not me!!!! This is only a fraction of shit I own and will back it up 110%.... guess what dung head...... I don't bullshit

As far as a reference medium.... I have only hooked the pioneer to my crowne CE2000amp that i have running too 2 cerwin vega v153...and id say the pioneer sounds just as good on these...I havent had the time to hook it too my krk v8 nearfields....Oh its great you actually know something bout guitar, but you havent shown me any anything to prove you know anything about dj mixers.

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Originally posted by fr0st As far as a reference medium.... I have only hooked the pioneer to my crowne CE2000amp that i have running too 2 cerwin vega v153...and id say the pioneer sounds just as good on these...I havent had the time to hook it too my krk v8 nearfields....Oh its great you actually know something bout guitar, but you havent shown me any anything to prove you know anything about dj mixers.

I have nothing to prove to you. You started with gutair. As for posting everything in defence to you?? ain't gonna happen!!What I know and have learned over the years is my business, and its not my style to go around bragging about shit. Don't get me wrong, I freely share my experiences and know how on a daily basis, but I ain't gonna post my gear list.

I could have bought any mixing board I wanted. For the original topic this thread is about, $270 wouldn't even be considered as somthing decent.

You want my outlook on Mixers???
I was always a Vestax fan. My early 270a was Simple, easy to use, had a front panel RCA which I loved!! It was pretty dependable for about a year and a half. By this time this mixer was well used, knobs on 1 & 3 needed replacement, the pots really loosened up to an uncomfortable "last Leg" feeling but still worked without incident. It seemed to be noisy on really rainy days for some reason(lack of xlr's and multiple post outputs obviously the reason). Then the flood of that 275A came out. Was not pleased with sound quality and was appalled at that lazer P.O.S. R2D2 crossfader the thing had. Breathing on the thing made it move. I remember seeing an ad that said aafter millions of passes on that c/f it worked as new. Like I was really impressed with old optical technology applied to a fader.
I found out prev. that the 275's and later 270's were being made in china. It was omitted off the list.

A handfull of mixers came to the fore front after a couple of months.
Vestax PMC-55 (of course Japanese made)
Pioneer DJM-600
A&H Zone 62

The vestax was similar to my old 270, but had better electronics, multiple XLR's master & booth. The Japanese quality board had everything I wanted but I still wasn't sure.

I tried a Pioneer for the first time in Calgary. I was there on business last summer and discovered that Armin was there also at the same time I was. I didn't get to mix a full set with it, but was involved during the sound check. I didn't ask to assist, but after chatting and drinking Heiny's with the resident DJ and AVBs support team, found myself flattered and honoured to be taking full part in getting this club sounding its best.
When Armin came on and started with his Solarstone - Seven Cities remix (first time I had heard it and can guarantee you never had heard it at this time), I didn't see him complaining. I was not impressed with the Pioneer as it was furnished with more features that I don't use the the ones I do use. The Faders are too short and to further my opinion its loaded with taiwan stomp box qaulity effects, and a beat counter?? You mention previous about THD???? I go to Lexicon for reverb, Eventide for Pitch alteration,flange and delay(well I go with this for EVERTHING!!!) and DBX for compression. I am not to brag because those processors far exceed and surpass the need for DJ'ing but they will tell you were I come from!

At this point I didn't have a clear choice. I then began studing the A&H XonE32, 62, & 464 and after a month decided to check prices and availability. When I heard the price I couldn't believe it! it was cheap !!! Do the research A&H has been involved and specialized in only producing Mixing consoles or related products for live, studio and all mixing enviroments. This is there forte. I ordered it without even listening to it.

Two days later my educated, stressfull and well anticipated yet guttzy choice was in front of me.

Well let me tell you I had really High expectations and would have sent this board back in less than a second if It didn't perform. I have sent stuff back trust me, the sales people don't tell me anything about the products they sell because chances are I know more about there products then they do. In fact they have let me take home $5000.00 processors for my honest, unbiased, educated and professional opinion. Not to mention the fact I will stretch the limits of the device and work it hard the reason you pay 10 times more for it.

Conclusion. The allen & Heath Xone62 mixer is a classic example of no frills quality. The qaulity throughout is stellar. Minor details I have picked out like the rubber wipers on th faders, cushioned rotary knobs, no frills design, input and outputs that allow you to switch from pre to post. It goes on and on. The A&H mixer not only met my expectations but surpassed my expectations with ease. This board has the only things you need, high quality SQ, 4-eq knobs(that I was scared shittless about at first but will never go back)and cleanest output section availble. With my modified amps and NHT's at
home Its easy to hear minor differences.

now thats one of the nicest miXers ive ever seen.. goddam!!!!!

ifi only had the $$$

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Originally posted by The Greener I have nothing to prove to you. You started with gutair. As for posting everything in defence to you?? ain't gonna happen!!What I know and have learned over the years is my business, and its not my style to go around bragging about shit. Don't get me wrong, I freely share my experiences and know how on a daily basis, but I ain't gonna post my gear list. I could have bought any mixing board I wanted. For the original topic this thread is about, $270 wouldn't even be considered as somthing decent. You want my outlook on Mixers??? I was always a Vestax fan. My early 270a was Simple, easy to use, had a front panel RCA which I loved!! It was pretty dependable for about a year and a half. By this time this mixer was well used, knobs on 1 & 3 needed replacement, the pots really loosened up to an uncomfortable "last Leg" feeling but still worked without incident. It seemed to be noisy on really rainy days for some reason(lack of xlr's and multiple post outputs obviously the reason). Then the flood of that 275A came out. Was not pleased with sound quality and was appalled at that lazer P.O.S. R2D2 crossfader the thing had. Breathing on the thing made it move. I remember seeing an ad that said aafter millions of passes on that c/f it worked as new. Like I was really impressed with old optical technology applied to a fader. I found out prev. that the 275's and later 270's were being made in china. It was omitted off the list. A handfull of mixers came to the fore front after a couple of months. Vestax PMC-55 (of course Japanese made) Pioneer DJM-600 A&H Zone 62 The vestax was similar to my old 270, but had better electronics, multiple XLR's master & booth. The Japanese quality board had everything I wanted but I still wasn't sure. I tried a Pioneer for the first time in Calgary. I was there on business last summer and discovered that Armin was there also at the same time I was. I didn't get to mix a full set with it, but was involved during the sound check. I didn't ask to assist, but after chatting and drinking Heiny's with the resident DJ and AVBs support team, found myself flattered and honoured to be taking full part in getting this club sounding its best. When Armin came on and started with his Solarstone - Seven Cities remix (first time I had heard it and can guarantee you never had heard it at this time), I didn't see him complaining. I was not impressed with the Pioneer as it was furnished with more features that I don't use the the ones I do use. The Faders are too short and to further my opinion its loaded with taiwan stomp box qaulity effects, and a beat counter?? You mention previous about THD???? I go to Lexicon for reverb, Eventide for Pitch alteration,flange and delay(well I go with this for EVERTHING!!!) and DBX for compression. I am not to brag because those processors far exceed and surpass the need for DJ'ing but they will tell you were I come from! At this point I didn't have a clear choice. I then began studing the A&H XonE32, 62, & 464 and after a month decided to check prices and availability. When I heard the price I couldn't believe it! it was cheap !!! Do the research A&H has been involved and specialized in only producing Mixing consoles or related products for live, studio and all mixing enviroments. This is there forte. I ordered it without even listening to it. Two days later my educated, stressfull and well anticipated yet guttzy choice was in front of me. Well let me tell you I had really High expectations and would have sent this board back in less than a second if It didn't perform. I have sent stuff back trust me, the sales people don't tell me anything about the products they sell because chances are I know more about there products then they do. In fact they have let me take home $5000.00 processors for my honest, unbiased, educated and professional opinion. Not to mention the fact I will stretch the limits of the device and work it hard the reason you pay 10 times more for it. Conclusion. The allen & Heath Xone62 mixer is a classic example of no frills quality. The qaulity throughout is stellar. Minor details I have picked out like the rubber wipers on th faders, cushioned rotary knobs, no frills design, input and outputs that allow you to switch from pre to post. It goes on and on. The A&H mixer not only met my expectations but surpassed my expectations with ease. This board has the only things you need, high quality SQ, 4-eq knobs(that I was scared shittless about at first but will never go back)and cleanest output section availble. With my modified amps and NHT's at home Its easy to hear minor differences.

Very well said my friend, even this guy got me buying the A&H. I had the money to buy any mixer too but end up buying the A&H.

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Originally posted by The Greener I have nothing to prove to you. You started with gutair. As for posting everything in defence to you?? ain't gonna happen!!What I know and have learned over the years is my business, and its not my style to go around bragging about shit. Don't get me wrong, I freely share my experiences and know how on a daily basis, but I ain't gonna post my gear list. I could have bought any mixing board I wanted. For the original topic this thread is about, $270 wouldn't even be considered as somthing decent. You want my outlook on Mixers??? I was always a Vestax fan. My early 270a was Simple, easy to use, had a front panel RCA which I loved!! It was pretty dependable for about a year and a half. By this time this mixer was well used, knobs on 1 & 3 needed replacement, the pots really loosened up to an uncomfortable "last Leg" feeling but still worked without incident. It seemed to be noisy on really rainy days for some reason(lack of xlr's and multiple post outputs obviously the reason). Then the flood of that 275A came out. Was not pleased with sound quality and was appalled at that lazer P.O.S. R2D2 crossfader the thing had. Breathing on the thing made it move. I remember seeing an ad that said aafter millions of passes on that c/f it worked as new. Like I was really impressed with old optical technology applied to a fader. I found out prev. that the 275's and later 270's were being made in china. It was omitted off the list. A handfull of mixers came to the fore front after a couple of months. Vestax PMC-55 (of course Japanese made) Pioneer DJM-600 A&H Zone 62 The vestax was similar to my old 270, but had better electronics, multiple XLR's master & booth. The Japanese quality board had everything I wanted but I still wasn't sure. I tried a Pioneer for the first time in Calgary. I was there on business last summer and discovered that Armin was there also at the same time I was. I didn't get to mix a full set with it, but was involved during the sound check. I didn't ask to assist, but after chatting and drinking Heiny's with the resident DJ and AVBs support team, found myself flattered and honoured to be taking full part in getting this club sounding its best. When Armin came on and started with his Solarstone - Seven Cities remix (first time I had heard it and can guarantee you never had heard it at this time), I didn't see him complaining. I was not impressed with the Pioneer as it was furnished with more features that I don't use the the ones I do use. The Faders are too short and to further my opinion its loaded with taiwan stomp box qaulity effects, and a beat counter?? You mention previous about THD???? I go to Lexicon for reverb, Eventide for Pitch alteration,flange and delay(well I go with this for EVERTHING!!!) and DBX for compression. I am not to brag because those processors far exceed and surpass the need for DJ'ing but they will tell you were I come from! At this point I didn't have a clear choice. I then began studing the A&H XonE32, 62, & 464 and after a month decided to check prices and availability. When I heard the price I couldn't believe it! it was cheap !!! Do the research A&H has been involved and specialized in only producing Mixing consoles or related products for live, studio and all mixing enviroments. This is there forte. I ordered it without even listening to it. Two days later my educated, stressfull and well anticipated yet guttzy choice was in front of me. Well let me tell you I had really High expectations and would have sent this board back in less than a second if It didn't perform. I have sent stuff back trust me, the sales people don't tell me anything about the products they sell because chances are I know more about there products then they do. In fact they have let me take home $5000.00 processors for my honest, unbiased, educated and professional opinion. Not to mention the fact I will stretch the limits of the device and work it hard the reason you pay 10 times more for it. Conclusion. The allen & Heath Xone62 mixer is a classic example of no frills quality. The qaulity throughout is stellar. Minor details I have picked out like the rubber wipers on th faders, cushioned rotary knobs, no frills design, input and outputs that allow you to switch from pre to post. It goes on and on. The A&H mixer not only met my expectations but surpassed my expectations with ease. This board has the only things you need, high quality SQ, 4-eq knobs(that I was scared shittless about at first but will never go back)and cleanest output section availble. With my modified amps and NHT's at home Its easy to hear minor differences.

Cant argue with that post....Solid.

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