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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee hmmm..i may not be able to provide sources and may be wrong in a few things...u quoted my whole post.... however, u still didnt justify why there is need for a war now and no im not french canadian...and i was born and raised in the middle east...i have seen both sides of thse stories and just let me remind u about media bia...yes it DOES exist

Ya, know being born in the middle east is like saying i was born in america... that don't mean anything... where in you in iraq, kosovo, afghanistan? c'mon thats like me saying i was in america when the towers fell (I am from and in massachusetts) just because i was in america does not mean i was where the events happened......

yes maybe the media is biased..... thats great.... i am glad it is... makes me feel good about what we are doing.... what makes you think your sources are so much better, why is my source bias and yours is not? do you reporters swear to honesty? how do you know for sure that your source is so truth-filled? we don't know....i think any culture where suicide bombing a great cause and sacrifice is rubbish and something is wrong...... why doesn't saddam make a sacrifice of himself and save his nation form blood shed..... we don't want Iraq....we want him.....

and you want justification for war.... there could be no way in my heart i could justify killing any one.... it is never good to kill..... but the only way to stop the evil people in the world is to kill the killers, and some one has to do it... I don't hate any one islamic, nor do i hate iraqi people... infact my role model is an iraqi architect/designer named Zaha Hadid. I think she is one of the most intelligent people in the world when it comes to architecture. i think Saddam has to be taken out of power..... and man with a reputation like that, you can only take him by force.... if he was so loved, why did he not volunteer to leave so that his people would not be hurt? let them protest his leaving and show america that they love him as much as he says they do..... he will take every one down with him.... he should be killed just for the all the enviormental crimes he committed by setting the oil wells on fire in kuwait.... he should shot in some alley way just for killing 5,000 innocent people...... this was not even an accident; it was deliberate..... that is genocide....deliberate killing of innocence.... we may have killed people by mistake, but never on purpose... not like that....

beleive what you want, just be careful who you call naive.....

by the way, why aren't you still living in the middle east? why aren't you where you were raised? egypt?

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee sad that in 2003, we still arent civilized enough not to have war

We are civilized enough, but saddam isnt.

All these people against war. I wonder if they would change their mind if a terrorist bomb was detonated in their garden.

Saddam murders his own people and fucks with neighbouring countries and he will do so untill he is blown up.

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Originally posted by DaveC All these people against war. I wonder if they would change their mind if a terrorist bomb was detonated in their garden. Saddam murders his own people and fucks with neighbouring countries and he will do so untill he is blown up.

V true....as long as there are people like saddam in the world..they have to be dealt with.

War albeit costly..seems the only option, its clear he doesn't want to talk it out.

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Originally posted by DaveC We are civilized enough, but saddam isnt. All these people against war. I wonder if they would change their mind if a terrorist bomb was detonated in their garden. Saddam murders his own people and fucks with neighbouring countries and he will do so untill he is blown up.

I agree with that. Most of people sit at home in our lifes where everyday, u are not faced with the fact of being killed for no reason in a civilised world. He has killed his own people for decades! Sending them out against usa in war is murder!
Its ok to say that we should negotiate with him, but that has been happening for 12 years, and it has still come to nothing. If we leave him he'll keep developing weapons, and soon enough he'll have distances to reach england, and then when we, or indeed usa, are attacked, we'll all look back and think that we should have done something!

war is the only way out. iraq had fuckin 12 years to disarm and they never bothered doing it. they deceived the inspectors, didnt comply with any orders and lied shamelessly. if the un council would still negotiate to pass a fuckin resolution, this thing would drag forever. and its not like us is doing this by themselves. they have support of over 30 countries. and like stated before, france will join if iraq uses chemical weopons, which they will. so there is a great hope that other allies might join too.

i was watching a tv program yesterday about the iraq crisis . and this guy named paul wolfowitz, who's a deputy secretary of defence wrote a doctrine 12 years ago, expressing that the us will democratize the middle east, starting with iraq, then moving on to north korea, iran and other islam countries,. the doctrine was unsupported and not popular with the george bush administration at that time, because they didnt want to take this matter alone on their shoulders and were scared that they wouldn't have the world's confidence to back that idea up. and it never gained any interest and was thrown away. although it was a very ambitious one. however after september 11th, the george w bush administration turned back to that doctrine and made it clear that they would follow that policy stated there. i added this is cuz i thought it was interesting.

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Originally posted by raver31 war is the only way out. iraq had fuckin 12 years to disarm and they never bothered doing it. they deceived the inspectors, didnt comply with any orders and lied shamelessly. if the un council would still negotiate to pass a fuckin resolution, this thing would drag forever. and its not like us is doing this by themselves. they have support of over 30 countries. and like stated before, france will join if iraq uses chemical weopons, which they will. so there is a great hope that other allies might join too. i was watching a tv program yesterday about the iraq crisis . and this guy named paul wolfowitz, who's a deputy secretary of defence wrote a doctrine 12 years ago, expressing that the us will democratize the middle east, starting with iraq, then moving on to north korea, iran and other islam countries,. the doctrine was unsupported and not popular with the george bush administration at that time, because they didnt want to take this matter alone on their shoulders and were scared that they wouldn't have the world's confidence to back that idea up. and it never gained any interest and was thrown away. although it was a very ambitious one. however after september 11th, the george w bush administration turned back to that doctrine and made it clear that they would follow that policy stated there. i added this is cuz i thought it was interesting.

ok here are a couple of questions...

1. Why should Iraq disarm??what about USA???why can only USA have nukes and other weapons of mass destruction?
2. Wheres the proof that Iraq has violated the UN resolution 1441?
3. What makes America think they should interfere in the politics of any other country? who interferes in USA's politics?

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Originally posted by raver31 war is the only way out. iraq had fuckin 12 years to disarm and they never bothered doing it. they deceived the inspectors, didnt comply with any orders and lied shamelessly. if the un council would still negotiate to pass a fuckin resolution, this thing would drag forever. and its not like us is doing this by themselves. they have support of over 30 countries. and like stated before, france will join if iraq uses chemical weopons, which they will. so there is a great hope that other allies might join too. i was watching a tv program yesterday about the iraq crisis . and this guy named paul wolfowitz, who's a deputy secretary of defence wrote a doctrine 12 years ago, expressing that the us will democratize the middle east, starting with iraq, then moving on to north korea, iran and other islam countries,. the doctrine was unsupported and not popular with the george bush administration at that time, because they didnt want to take this matter alone on their shoulders and were scared that they wouldn't have the world's confidence to back that idea up. and it never gained any interest and was thrown away. although it was a very ambitious one. however after september 11th, the george w bush administration turned back to that doctrine and made it clear that they would follow that policy stated there. i added this is cuz i thought it was interesting.

Yes I saw that same documentary. It was two camps within Bush's administration. The "Hawk's" ie Wolfowitz who were more Regan like in terms of how they would try and change the world through its policies and then there is the other side of things, ie Powell who takes more of a management roll in the world and try to better guide certain countries toward a specific path, instead of trying to CHANGE IT (ie making assumptions of what is right/wrong in terms of Governments). I would take Powells side...managing the world is better than going and trying to outright change it.

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee ok here are a couple of questions... 1. Why should Iraq disarm??what about USA???why can only USA have nukes and other weapons of mass destruction? 2. Wheres the proof that Iraq has violated the UN resolution 1441? 3. What makes America think they should interfere in the politics of any other country? who interferes in USA's politics?

1) the US is not a threat to its neighboring countries
2) He was suposed to allow inspectors in at their convience instead he made them wait till either he wanted them in. Or it was convient for them..
3) Saddam harbors terrorist and they are a direct threat to the US if he wishes to support terrorism, he will pay the price...

On another note i was just thinking about this if the US were to shut down trade with all the other countries of the world, im sure most of the world would sink into a depression...I think a lot of people dont realize how many american good are exported and how man goods are imported into the country and with out these trades which most countries rely on...they would have nothing.....

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Originally posted by fr0st On another note i was just thinking about this if the US were to shut down trade with all the other countries of the world, im sure most of the world would sink into a depression...I think a lot of people dont realize how many american good are exported and how man goods are imported into the country and with out these trades which most countries rely on...they would have nothing.....

well IMO, USA would "sink" as bad....as it is, we all know that USA is in severe debts right now (from what i heard several diplomats say recently in interviews)

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee well IMO, USA would "sink" as bad....as it is, we all know that USA is in severe debts right now (from what i heard several diplomats say recently in interviews)

WE ARE IN DEBT BECAUSE WE HAVE LENDED ALL OUR FUCKING CASH TO EVERY ONE IN THE WORLD AND NO ONE HAS PAID US BACK!!!!!!

We owe the money to ourselves... nt any othe country... if you CAN READ why dont you look it up on the net and it will tell you where the money comes from and where it is spent....! THINK god damn it.... THINK!!!!!!

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