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Originally posted by amit well thing is...if they dont get the mp3 from the ARTIST...then they shouldnt spin it unless they buy it! thats the bottom line.

isnt that what djs do they walk into a club with a case full of cds that are burnt not one of them is real (all are burnt) but its k cuz they got it from the artists. i am with it but i would prefer vinyl anyday tho *VINYL JUNKIE*

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Originally posted by dinoXpress But if those ranges cant be produced digitally, then nowadays this is a non issue because *nearly* all tracks are produced using mainly digitial. You are the #1 candidate for the pepsi challenge. and i bet a shitload vinyl is pressed from some guy bringin a cd into the factory or whatever, and them cutting the vinyl from that. Unless you are dead sure there is ZERO digital in the mix from original studio --> vinyl. this is a dead issue.

i've taken the pepsi challenge before...well..sort of one just between mp3s. if you give me a good set of monitor speakers, i can tell the difference between a 128kbps mp3 and a 256 kbps mp3 file. 256 and 320 i only got right maybe 60-70% of the time. 320 and a wav file was more hit or miss without any chance of correlating the results vs just pure guessing. but that's not the point...

now i didn't say that vinyl was better or what not. and yes, plenty of dance vinyl IS pressed from a CD that some guy brings into the factory. the point in my post was the process of cutting vinyl and mastering to vinyl is not a perfect one...keep in mind it is a fairly old technology. you aren't transferring 1s and 0s (i.e. CD --> CD), you are transferring 1s and 0s to grooves on vinyl; there's no way they can be exact copies. this process produces inherent qualities in the final vinyl copy you receive..among those, the warmth in the low frequencies, less sharp transients, and a dip in the high frequencies.

all i was saying was people often mistake "listening" quality and "technical" quality....vinyl can sound better with out being "technically" better....that was my point.

and back on topic...i don't have anything against DJs that play mp3s, as long as they aren't those that don't buy records and only HAVE mp3s to spin....

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128 is def noticeable. it sounds soo crappy

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 128 is def noticeable. it sounds soo crappy

that i do agree with...in a club 128kbps mp3 is noticeable. and depending on the club system and how it's tweaked...i think 192 is also noticeable, but takes concentration and an ideal listening environment.

i think as long as it's 192 and above, it's fine by me...cuz i'm not going to be standing there trying to pick out what bit rate or what format the DJ is using right now with my ears...i'm there to have fun, not to take a hearing test anyway.

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Originally posted by b i n k u n that i do agree with...in a club 128kbps mp3 is noticeable. and depending on the club system and how it's tweaked...i think 192 is also noticeable, but takes concentration and an ideal listening environment. i think as long as it's 192 and above, it's fine by me...cuz i'm not going to be standing there trying to pick out what bit rate or what format the DJ is using right now with my ears...i'm there to have fun, not to take a hearing test anyway.

something that is also key though, is how well the track was produced and mastered in the first place. Which plays a big part.

Tracks that are mediocre are the onces that seem to sound the same 192-320. The better ones and worse ones have a more noticeable difference.


I mean sometimes its hard to even tell till you actually hear the vinyl or wav of it.

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Speaking of bitrates, etc, are mp3s sold in quality better/higher than 192kb/s? I know Beatport doesn't, but any other mp3 sites that do?

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Originally posted by robstar It's very important that dj's pay for the music they play if they didn't the sceen would collaps IMO.

Agree 100%. It's a matter of being fair, too: They're *earning* money because of those tracks.