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Originally posted by tiesto14 well Hussein lit more oil fields on fire...lol

They are his oil fields, he has every damn right to do whatever he feels with them...

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Originally posted by fastmp3 tiesto14 don't go crying around if something worse than 9/11 happens , because attacking iraq doesn't prevent from terrorism , you must be stupid to believe that

Hahaha, even the Montreal crew is joining in on this gang bang with tiesto14... damn!

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i LOVE how Renegade hasnt posted since Fuzzy proved him wrong that Hussein has Scud missiles....hahhahahhaha Renegade got owned...

Okay, I obviously missed this bit. I know that Tiesto14 is banned now (such a shame) but just to set the record straight I'll reply to what FuzzyGreen said:

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I have done my research. Al Samoud missiles are not Scud missles.

1) The Al-Samoud missiles are classified as "Scud B" missiles: essentially scaled down, liquid propelled scuds that may use parts from SA-2 missiles. If you don't believe me, you can read:

Here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/samoud.htm

Here:

http://www.rense.com/general35/claimed.htm

Here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...3¬Found=true

Or here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/n...21223-pac01.htm

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The missiles that were launched at Kuwait had traveled more then 400 km.

Do they know that for sure though? In most of the sources I found in Google (using the seach query "scud missile attack kuwait") it seems like no one was sure what missiles were shot down, only that they "may" have been scud missiles (which are still permitted - along with any other missile - so long as they don't travel over 150km!). This website, pretty much the only one which claims to have a good idea about what type of missiles were shot down, blames the "Al-Samoud" and the "Ababil-100" for the attacks:

http://www.dtic.mil/armylink/news/M...sileattack.html

The Pentagon apparently said a similar thing:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/...iraq-scud_x.htm

And here's some info on each of these missiles:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/missile/index.html
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/missile/ababil.htm

Hardly the weapons of mass destruction the US Government have been looking for, eh?

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Care to admit mistake and quit insulting me?

I will quit insulting you when I am ready, idiot.

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Originally posted by Renegade If you'd cared to do some research, you'd understand that we knew Iraq had Scud missiles. What do you think the Al Samoud missiles were?

Hunh? an al samoud is an al samoud it is not a scud, nor is it a varient of a scud.

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Furthermore, Iraq is permitted to possess Scud missiles, provided their maximum range is 150 km or less.

Their is no type of Scud that Iraq has that has a range equal to or less then 150km, unless you want to trust them to not fuel them up all the way...

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Don't bother saying anything unless you know what you're talking about.

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1) The Al-Samoud missiles are classified as "Scud B" missiles: essentially scaled down, liquid propelled scuds that may use parts from SA-2 missiles. If you don't believe me, you can read:

Right now I'm really rather baffled if your intentionally trying to cover up your previous misstatement that al samoud missiles are scuds, or if you really belive what your saying. Especially since you claim to have read so many websites.


A al samoud missile is not a scud B nor is it classified as one (well their both short-ranged ballistic missiles... meh). The iqaris I'm sure are putting what they know from working with scuds into it.

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http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...Oct_2002.htm#07 During the 1980s, Iraq purchased 819 Scud B missiles from the USSR. Hundreds of these 300km range missiles were used to attack Iranian cities during the Iran-Iraq War. Beginning in 1987, Iraq converted many of these Soviet Scuds into extended-range variants, some of which were fired at Tehran; some were launched during the Gulf war, and others remained in Iraq's inventory at war's end. Iraq admitted filling at least 75 of its Scud warheads with chemical or biological agents and deployed these weapons for use against Coalition forces and regional opponents, including Israel in 1991.

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http://www.iraqwatch.org/government...gon/dodscud.htm The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) used the nickname "Scud B" when referring to the Soviet-made, mobile, single-stage, single-warhead, liquid-fueled, short-range ballistic missile (originally designated by the Soviets as the R-17). Within the intelligence community, it also carried the designation SS-1c (SS for surface-to-surface).

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http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/scud.htm In total, Iraq imported 819 of the single-stage liquid-engine missiles and 11 mobile launchers for them. Iraq began, in 1987, a program to extend the range of the Scud B and to 'reverse engineer' the design, so as to produce several new, more potent, indigenous missiles, known as the Al Hussein, Al Hijarah and Al Abbas.

general info http://www.iraqwatch.org/wmd/missile.html