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Originally posted by whiskers no offence personally to you, but your have you ever tried to explain to an old christian woman how computer works? your rebuttals sounds like something she might say.

Not really. Since theres no proof of any of this it all comes down to opinion.
It sounds like some people r saying u can actually do shit to make the world start acting like somebodys rewinding a tape.
How can time be physical? What form exactly would it take?

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Originally posted by Omegasox Just imagine how fucked our whole system of science would be if we came into contact with Aliens who lived on completely different principles than we had ever imagined. But that's an entire thread in itself.

even when we say that aliens wouldn't look like anything we could ever imagine
we're so far from the truth
because even not judging with human eyes, we could never think of what they look like, because everything we'd think up would still be based on what we've experienced, on nature.


and as to fucking up our whole system of science, imagine a world with a different atmosphere such that OUR EARTH chemistry doesn't work there at all...

*thought inspired by Michael Crichton's "Sphere", where he talked about chemical reactions being unpredictable in an atmosphere of helium and other gases


let me find the thread about the end of the world, there were some nice posts in there (by me too )

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Originally posted by Omegasox Just imagine how fucked our whole system of science would be if we came into contact with Aliens who lived on completely different principles than we had ever imagined. But that's an entire thread in itself.

Yeah. I believe there probably r aliens. With the unimaginable amount of stars out there, its more or less a certainty.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq How can time be physical? What form exactly would it take?

look. it is a matter of opinion. how about an example that my mom always used to give me: gravity.


you can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't sense it, you can't feel it. but it's still there and it works perfectly.


just because we can't prove that something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


are you religious, by any chance?

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Yeah. I believe there probably r aliens. With the unimaginable amount of stars out there, its more or less a certainty.

i was walking from class to my dorm today and i was thinking about that. i remembered that in Michael Crichton's "Sphere" (again) he mentioned some probability equation about life on other planets.


what would be necessary for intelligent life to evolve?

what is the probability of a suitable planet + suitable atmosphere + life starting + life evolving + etc. and etc. and etc.


all that comes out to an infinitesimal value...


but the universe is infinite and the amount of stars is infinite... so, IMHO, there is intelligent life out there, but it's so far away, that we'll probably never meet them.

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Originally posted by whiskers look. it is a matter of opinion. how about an example that my mom always used to give me: gravity. you can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't sense it, you can't feel it. but it's still there and it works perfectly. just because we can't prove that something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. are you religious, by any chance?

Lol im not some nutter or anything. Im just usually skeptical about things.
Im not saying its not possible.
U can feel gravity! Just the amount on or planet is the perfect amount for us, so we dont notice it that much all the time. How heavy does something feel when u pick it up? Thats gravity. If u were in space u wouldnt feel any weight, obviously.
And i havnt made my mind up about religion yet. Ive thought about it a LOT, but i dont really know what to believe. I cant say i believe the universe would exist if there wasnt SOMETHING out there, but who knows what that is?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=124078


a very interesting read if you're bored.



i reread some of my posts and a couple of times went "what the fuck did i just say???"

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Lol im not some nutter or anything. Im just usually skeptical about things. Im not saying its not possible. U can feel gravity! Just the amount on or planet is the perfect amount for us, so we dont notice it that much all the time. How heavy does something feel when u pick it up? Thats gravity. If u were in space u wouldnt feel any weight, obviously. And i havnt made my mind up about religion yet. Ive thought about it a LOT, but i dont really know what to believe. I cant say i believe the universe would exist if there wasnt SOMETHING out there, but who knows what that is?

it was bad wording, you can actually "feel" gravity, but you can also feel time in a way. but remember, we're arguing about something famous physics geinuses don't even know anything about. how abstract is time? maybe what we call time is actually something bigger that we didn't discover yet.

and the reason i asked about religion is that because of the famous argument - we can't prove that god exists, but at the same time we can't prove that he doesn't exist. Contact is a good movie in that sense, and it's just a fucking good movie in general.

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Originally posted by whiskers what is the probability of a suitable planet + suitable atmosphere + life starting + life evolving + etc. and etc. and etc. all that comes out to an infinitesimal value...

You're assuming life can only evolve based on the criteria we supply. Why couldn't life evolve on Jupiter? Who's to say they would need water to survive? Do they need to be carbon based lifeforms?

There are no rules for "coming into existence", only assumptions we as humans place on life.

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Originally posted by whiskers it was bad wording, you can actually "feel" gravity, but you can also feel time in a way. but remember, we're arguing about something famous physics geinuses don't even know anything about. how abstract is time? maybe what we call time is actually something bigger that we didn't discover yet.

Nobody knows. Do u think its possible (by any way) to go to a different time on earth?

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and the reason i asked about religion is that because of the famous argument - we can't prove that god exists, but at the same time we can't prove that he doesn't exist. Contact is a good movie in that sense, and it's just a fucking good movie in general.

Yeah, i realised that.

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Originally posted by Omegasox You're assuming life can only evolve based on the criteria we supply. Why couldn't life evolve on Jupiter? Who's to say they would need water to survive? Do they need to be carbon based lifeforms? There are no rules for "coming into existence", only assumptions we as humans place on life.

i'm not assuming that, the scientists are assuming that, and that's why it's flawed. we're taking that equation in terms of human values. we can say that there's a very small that HUMAN-like life will evolve on another planet. just like you said, only assumptions we as humans place on life.

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has anyone read the novel Timeline from Michael Critchton? (also being made into a movie) If i remember correctly, there was no such thing as time travel, but the ability to travel to a universe where time was "recorded", and the way to reach that universe was to turn into energy, which u lost ur physical form and in a sense, kills u, only to use that energy to build you in the other universe

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