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Originally posted by culorut No people who believe things which the mass media say without facts and proof is simply sad. Who's smoking the pot? If the so called plane (AA77) crashed into the pentagon then the government owes it to the public to release the footage, not some blurry frames leaving more unanswered questions. If it was AA77 then where is it? Simple yet after 5+ years still nothing..... hmmmm

obviously you...since you are Canadian.

where was the plane in Pennsylvania? Wasn't one. No traces. The planes were selected with a lot of fuel for a reason.

Can you imagine the kind of theories we would have if there wasn't footage of the twin towers getting hit? I would go insane.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z

Typical.

No facts to back yourself up so attack the individual and not the information.

Trolls,

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z

well, as compelling as that geriatric is come on shaolin. PLEASE dont tell me you think a missile hit the 'gon! and if so, you have to tell me where all the people from the flight went, where all the plane wreckage came from, why hundreds of witnesses are wrong when they saw the plane hit, what exactly knocked down the telegraph poles on the approach to the building. you cant possibly hold that old man up as a counter to what hundreds of people saw and investigated!

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Originally posted by culorut No people who believe things which the mass media say without facts and proof is simply sad.

oh, here we go! typical response from the ignorant conspiracy hack. disagree with someone, gee i MUST have got all my info from the media. idiot. and youre a fucking noob anyway so how the fuck would you know what i base my opinions on?

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Originally posted by culorut Who's smoking the pot? If the so called plane (AA77) crashed into the pentagon then the government owes it to the public to release the footage, not some blurry frames leaving more unanswered questions. If it was AA77 then where is it? Simple yet after 5+ years still nothing..... hmmmm

see, this is why i said goodbye to this thread (i blame you for bringing me back shaolin! )

firstly- who says there is ANY other footage of the plane hitting. i mean seriously, thats just your assumption. based on what? does the pentagon routinely have cameras aimed at the approach angle of the plane? we saw the footage of other planes hitting buildings. why the fuck is there some doubt here?

for those of us with actual brains, the fact that theres numerous wreckage parts from the plane and dead bodies from those on the flight is certainly enough to believe a plane hit. again, im amazed at what you people will swallow despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

pentagon investigation by those that dont wear tin-foil hats

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Originally posted by xstalkrx

That's not an argument to say the least. Even assuming it is, why the hell would I want to believe that my own goverment is responsible for the worst terrorist attack on American soil ever? Apparently you don't consider logic to be an important aspect of an argument.

EDIT: Herem you might want to take a look at this before you consider forming an argument:

Logical fallacy

particularly this one:

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An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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On a happy note, I won my part of the argument, cementing my fellow TA supporters view of government involvement on 9/11, backed by the fact that government agencies were running terrorist drills first time in years same time same place as terrorist struck. Jackpott!!!

Either way, terrorists did it or not, government agencies worked along with terrorists had a hand in it throwing off the mighty NORAD to believe it was only a terrorist drill, and when they figured out otherwise, it all too late

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Umm, so why would the government run terrorist drills at the same time? I'm not exactly sure how that ties into the conspiracy. Can anyone enlighten me?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Either way, terrorists did it or not, government agencies worked along with terrorists had a hand in it throwing off the mighty NORAD to believe it was only a terrorist drill, and when they figured out otherwise, it all too late

inappropriate laughter there.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's not an argument to say the least. Even assuming it is, why the hell would I want to believe that my own goverment is responsible for the worst terrorist attack on American soil ever? Apparently you don't consider logic to be an important aspect of an argument.

well, i do think youre more easily convinced by things that are negatively related to your government. which is fair enough most of the time coz the US has a sordid history in the world. i just think in this instance you've given them more credit than they are due

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Umm, so why would the government run terrorist drills at the same time? I'm not exactly sure how that ties into the conspiracy. Can anyone enlighten me?

exactly. the argument i believe relates to added "camouflage" to aid the terrorists. or something like that obviously from people that have never read the NORAD converstaions and exactly how incompetent government departments can be at times.

its funny. if any of these CTers actually ever worked in a department they'd realise how its just not possible for them to pull off something of this scope (with the literally THOUSANDS of things that could go wrong) without getting caught.

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lol...one old man that wasn't at the scene of the CRIME, reviews some CT evidence, puts his own unique CT spin on things, changes all of our perspectives.

The MEDIA in this country is heavily liberal biased. If these CT theories held any water, the media would shove it down our throats.

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Originally posted by xstalkrx lol...one old man that wasn't at the scene of the CRIME, reviews some CT evidence, puts his own unique CT spin on things, changes all of our perspectives. The MEDIA in this country is heavily liberal biased. If these CT theories held any water, the media would shove it down our throats.

I think it's FAIRLY OBVIOUS that Bush and the rest of the Mason/Illuminati/Shape-shifting reptilians are forcing the media not to show this kind of information. They want people to be ignorant!