Yeah but you can try so many things, and read so many different things about harmonic mixing, but it all comes down to what sounds good really.. even some of the big dj/producers mix off key sometimes but they do it in a way that they know will sound good probably because of their musical knowledge and stuff.
Oct-21-2006 20:30
Allayla
tech tribal sound
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: AZ
Plus lets face it, creativity is what we all want to hear in dj sets.. a whole set of +1 -1 etc would be boring as hell, wouldn't go anywhere.
Oct-21-2006 20:35
996vtwin
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Registered: Feb 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by starboy
Plus lets face it, creativity is what we all want to hear in dj sets.. a whole set of +1 -1 etc would be boring as hell, wouldn't go anywhere.
Tell that to any musician and he may scoff at you. Music in key is harmonic.....if its not then its discordant simple as that.
Oct-21-2006 21:28
Pinokio
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Panama City, Panama
quote:
Originally posted by starboy
Plus lets face it, creativity is what we all want to hear in dj sets.. a whole set of +1 -1 etc would be boring as hell, wouldn't go anywhere.
I don't think all sets like this owuld be boring.
They could be boring, buty you can listen sets like this that are truly amazing.
Im talking about sets without ANY of those key lift type mixes +7 & +2 etc
996vtwin.. thats my opinion, dont be so sensitive ,maybe i should have said "I" not "we all" but w/e
Oct-22-2006 05:53
Allayla
tech tribal sound
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: AZ
quote:
Originally posted by 996vtwin
Tell that to any musician and he may scoff at you. Music in key is harmonic.....if its not then its discordant simple as that.
Plus your not understanding what im saying.. a harmonicly programed set does not have to abide by the +1 -1 mixing all the way through. If that's what you think then your sadly mistaken.
Oct-22-2006 10:31
Nemesis44
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Brighton
Guys,
Not worth argueing about, you are both right and wrong.
Yes a set would be boring if it was all -1 +1 but tune selection plays a big part so you could change the mood by track types too. But overall would not carry as much energy as a varied set.
The word Harmonic is somewhat incorrectly applied to this type of mixing if you think of it in music theory terms. Root Note mixing would be more appropriate but sounds crap.
When you think of musicans, they are often playing chords or notes in a scale. You have all sorts of rules like pitch axis theory and things that can sound intentionally clangerous (Like Slayer and Kerry King guitar solos).
What a DJ does is very different as he takes the finished package and mixes it where as a musician has more freedom as he can decide each individual note to be played. (Captain obvious statement of the day but hey). What ever way you look at it it's not the same as DJing.
And now for something completely different.
If you have ever wondered if the elite understand this then you will find that they are as confused about it as the rest of us.
Eddie Halliwell in his second Bosh CD for Mixmag is quoted as saying that he does key changes etc. The problem is that he actually mixes key change tracks as if they actually work together. The result is quite minging!
As a side note, I'm not sure if you guys have heard any young Hard House DJs? You will often find them a poor example of using keys as they will always drop down a key. Great for bringing a crowd down and sapping their energy.
Can people post what kind of strategies they use in creating mixes/playing in venues in terms of what key they use?
I know that bmp is very important and you should work on raising and lowering those to change the mood/speed but does they key slowly build up the whole night?
Oct-23-2006 17:39
996vtwin
tranceaddict
Registered: Feb 2006
Location:
Personally it all depends for me. For example Armin ASOT2006 album it sounds all in key and it sounds damn good. Listen to Airwave Trilogique, again all in key . The albums sound like one long song.
Recently I have been paying attention to some local Dj's play trance out of key and it just dosent flow IMO the way I would like it to. But thats just my opinion. Of course you can change key here and there but to go all over the place may change the mood and break the feeling. Trance should be a higher state or hypnotism if you will. Not only one song should do that but the whole set/album should. In a club I guess it matters less where the energy is already high and people only want big toons.
Oct-23-2006 20:56
Pinokio
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Panama City, Panama
quote:
Originally posted by 996vtwin
Personally it all depends for me. For example Armin ASOT2006 album it sounds all in key and it sounds damn good. Listen to Airwave Trilogique, again all in key . The albums sound like one long song.
Recently I have been paying attention to some local Dj's play trance out of key and it just dosent flow IMO the way I would like it to. But thats just my opinion. Of course you can change key here and there but to go all over the place may change the mood and break the feeling. Trance should be a higher state or hypnotism if you will. Not only one song should do that but the whole set/album should. In a club I guess it matters less where the energy is already high and people only want big toons.
Just as hip-hop may be one of the worst styles for harmonic mixing, trance may be one of the best styles for harmonic mixing. With consistent song structure and without competing vocals, harmonic mixing of trance allows virtually unlimited layering that can create new musical tapestries with minimal effort.
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Oct-29-2006 16:59
Allayla
tech tribal sound
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: AZ
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Can someone listen to this sample and confirm the key for me?
