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LeopoldStotch
Suapremae tranecadictt

Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Yawbs,Giaks,and Automobiles
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Aug-12-2005 17:24
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Member of X
Loving Trance Since 1998

Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Huntington Beach, CA (block from ocean)
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Aug-12-2005 18:25
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Shamez214
Chasing the Cool

Registered: Jun 2001
Location: Basin City
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| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
We've gone over this a long time ago and Yankees suck doesn't only mean 2005. Obviously not, considering he says Knicks suck and they aren't even playing.
And history plays a large part in a team.
So the Braves success over the past 15 years has nothing to do with their continued success this year? The New England Patriots winning 3 out of 4 Super Bowls has nothing to do with their chances for success this year? So last year with Peyton Manning losing even though he was the MVP had nothing to do with New England's past success against him?
The Yankees have made the playoffs the last 10 years. So the Spurs next year are just as equal to have a chance to win as the Knicks? Curious...
Teams misfortunes or successes against other teams does play a role in the present results. Players aren't robots, their humans and have memories.
But merely my point was that over time, the Yankees have proven to be the most successful franchise for winning. Not that it guarantees they win every year. But it does help breed continued excellence. |
So... the Mets have, in general, been failures over the past decade or so. The Cubs haven't been to the WS since '45. If they win the WS next year, they suck because they, as a franchise, have always been bad? If you say that past excellence means that a team doesn't "suck" now, then it should work the other way, no?
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Aug-12-2005 21:54
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Shamez214
Chasing the Cool

Registered: Jun 2001
Location: Basin City
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| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
By saying the Yankees suck youre including the present and past, in which case is just plain dumb. Since the 10's the Yankees have won a multiple WS's in every decade except the 80's... thats pretty amazing.
And just because the Cubs havent been to the WS since 45 doesnt necessarily mean their franchise sucks, the amount of times they have made the playoffs and stuff matters. |
I never said the Yankees suck, just to clear that up. And, no, if I were to say the Yankees suck, I, personally, would not be talking about the past at all. The Yankees sucking in 1983 has nothing to do with the Yankees sucking in 2005. Or any year. If I were to say "the Giants suck," would I be wrong? Because... they are terrible this year. Which means... they are "suck"ing. However, they are a pretty above average franchise.
No franchise, as a whole, sucks. Not even the Royals. Well... maybe the Brewers. But they're getting there. When I do say a team "sucks," I am always talking in the present and not the past. The Nationals "suck." Has nothing to do with the '94 season where they were the best in baseball before the strike. The Diamondbacks "suck." Has nothing to do with them winning the WS in 2001.
Why is it that only Yankee fans come out of the woodwork when someone says their team "sucks" and say "Well... they don't suck because they won championships in 1923" or whenever. If someone were to say the Mets suck, which happens a lot, I immidiately think in terms of this year. And this year, the Mets do not "suck."
/rant
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i wish it would just last forever.
and so, to feel like that?
i'd pay any price just to get that back.*
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Aug-12-2005 23:18
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partyhopper
NYTA Senior Citizen

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: All the wrong places
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damn, Pedro had a no-hitter going into the 8th against Dodgers, but with 2 swings of the bat, the Mets lose 
2-4 on a West Coast road trip that should've been 5-1, and failing to take advantage of the Astros losing 8-0
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Aug-14-2005 22:29
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