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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN why are people asking the same, tired old questions that have been answered dozens of times before? "i need to believe". its pitiful.

Because all the answers are unsatisfactory nonsense that people who "need to believe" (in govermenet propaganda) have readily accepted. PKC, why are you obsessing over this topic? All that says to me is that you obviously don't think alternative hypothesis and explanations are so utterly ridiculous as you keep bumping this thread over and over again. Weather you're poking fun at it, being serious, or whatever the case might be, the kind of attention you're giving to it reflects a nagging discomfort on your part. Why does it bother you if everything's fine, which relatively speaking it is according to the official conspiracy theory?

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN why are people asking the same, tired old questions that have been answered dozens of times before? "i need to believe". its pitiful.

The many thousands of questions have not been answered. Proper investigations never began and the ones that did happened much too late and where limited.

Your obviously not reading the posts in this thread, replying with an opinion containing no facts to back your nonsense.

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Originally posted by culorut Why Has the Greatest Crime in U.S. History Never Been Criminally Investigated? and other Unanswered Questions about September 11, 2001 For five years the 911truth movement has been quietly building support. While many ideas and theories have been put forth about what happened in that fateful day, the main thrust of the movement is to push for a new investigation of 9/11 to answer the many still unanswered questions such as: The Warnings: Why did the administration ignore warnings, some specific as to date and place, from at least 11 foreign intelligence services delivered to Washington prior to 9/11? Why were several prominent Americans, including top military brass, warned not to fly on 9/11? Missing Air Defense: Why was established procedure not followed to intercept any of the hijacked planes on 9/11? Why did the defense missiles on top of the Pentagon not fire at the attacking plane as it flew toward the Pentagon? (Had they been disabled?) If the defense failures were due to incompetence, why was no one reprimanded or fired? Was air defense lacking because of the military exercises underway on the morning of 9/11? Pilots of the Hijacked Planes: How could an inexperienced pilot have successfully flown a heavy commercial airliner on his first try? Why were some of the alleged terrorists trained at U.S. military bases and CIA flight schools? The Alleged Hijackers: Why is it that at least six of the hijackers who were supposed to have died on 9/11 are alive and well, giving interviews and living in the Middle East? If no Arab names were on the passenger manifests released by the airlines following 9/11, how could names and photographs of the alleged hijackers have been broadcast around the world within hours of the attacks? Why were no airline tickets or receipts ever presented as evidence? The Money: If “follow the money� is the time-honored criminal investigative technique for uncovering criminal collusion, why did the 9/11 Commission elect to drop the pursuit of mainstream-documented leads such as the $100,000 wire transfer from the head of Pakistan’s intelligence service to alleged lead hijacker Mohammad Atta several days before the attacks. Why was the extreme level of options trading activity in American and United Airlines stock in the days before 9/11, a clear indication of foreknowledge of the attacks, never pursued? The Plane Crashes: How could one of the hijacker’s passports emerge from the wreckage of the Twin Towers and be found intact on the streets of New York? Why was debris from the Pennsylvania plane scattered over an area of several miles, and not confined to the 10 by 30 ft foot hole where the official story says the plane crashed? Why were no large plane parts found at the crash site? Why are the 9/11 plane crashes the only ones in modern U.S. history not to have been investigated by the National Transportation Safety Board? Why were none of the thousands of serial numbered parts ever presented as proof of the identity of the aircraft? Collapse of the Twin Towers: What caused the massive explosions in the basements of the Towers before the planes even hit (which registered as small earthquakes at Colombia University) and the hundreds of explosions reported by witnesses before and during the buildings collapses? How is it possible for the Towers to completely collapse in the same amount of time it would take for a brick to fall through air from the same height? How were the concrete floors, walls, computers, furniture and other materials atomized into dust? How could brief jet fuel fires have caused the buildings’ collapse when no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire in the entire history of architecture? World Trade Center 7 Collapse: Why did this 47-story steel office building, which was not hit by any plane, collapse completely in 6.7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11? What did its owner Larry Silverstein mean when he said the decision had been made to “pull� the building? Was WTC 7 wired with explosives prior to 9/11? If so, were explosives also planted in the Twin Towers prior to the attacks? The 9/11 Commission and It's Report: Why, if it had nothing to hide about the attacks, did the Bush Administration resist 9/11 families’ call for an investigative commission for an unprecedented 441 days. Why was administration insider Philip Zelikow, who had co-authored a book with Condi Rice, and whose CV states that his expertise is in the creation and maintenance of public myth, appointed to direct the Commission? Why did Bush and Cheney refuse to testify in public, under oath, to the Commission? Why did the Commission members accept the official conspiracy theory as their operating premise and say early-on that they would not investigate what happened on 9/11 and who was responsible. Why was the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 not mentioned in the report? False Flag Operation: Was 9/11 a “false flag� operation, used throughout history to generate public support for political objectives by deliberately creating a terror incident and blaming the attack on a designated enemy, thus serving as a justification for war?

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Because all the answers are unsatisfactory nonsense that people who "need to believe" (in govermenet propaganda) have readily accepted. PKC, why are you obsessing over this topic? All that says to me is that you obviously don't think alternative hypothesis and explanations are so utterly ridiculous as you keep bumping this thread over and over again. Weather you're poking fun at it, being serious, or whatever the case might be, the kind of attention you're giving to it reflects a nagging discomfort on your part. Why does it bother you if everything's fine, which relatively speaking it is according to the official conspiracy theory?

Denial.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Because all the answers are unsatisfactory nonsense that people who "need to believe" (in govermenet propaganda) have readily accepted. PKC, why are you obsessing over this topic? All that says to me is that you obviously don't think alternative hypothesis and explanations are so utterly ridiculous as you keep bumping this thread over and over again. Weather you're poking fun at it, being serious, or whatever the case might be, the kind of attention you're giving to it reflects a nagging discomfort on your part. Why does it bother you if everything's fine, which relatively speaking it is according to the official conspiracy theory?

its because people are so convinced by things that i dont consider evidence. people like culorut will post rubbish re WTC7, which has been put to bed by real evidence time and time again, yet still refuse to give ANY credence to said evidence.

the most chaotic day in recent american memory has holes or inconsistencies? well what would people expect? itd be MORE suspicious if there was a perfect bunch of evidence. pointing at supposed issues with the "official" story has been about as credible as the ID people poking holes in evolution theory.

ive said before, i am more than open to alternative hypotheses, but as yet i still havent seen any evidence that supports such wild accusations. the more incredible the claim the more incredible the evidence has to be for me to believe it.

what bothers me about it is the readiness some people are showing to believe some pretty wild stuff. its the same as holding steven jones up as some kind of messiah, whilst ignoring all the real experts (the entire world's structural engineers). that isnt intellectual honesty imo.

its become my pet peeve in here. ill refrain (or at least try ) to not troll your posts or other regular users that i have respect for, but these noobs posting stuff from sites when they havent spent a *second* researching alternatives. ie, there is SO much fucking evidence re WTC7, that any honest researcher simply cannot just dismiss it by cut n pasting some CT rubbish. if you really do think the evidence re something like WTC7 is "unsatisfactory nonsense" then i must ask how much commitment you have to really finding the truth.

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You do realize you just said "I think it's ridiculous" again but just using more words .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You do realize you just said "I think it's ridiculous" again but just using more words .

hahaha. no, i said "i am open to being shown otherwise, but i feel it is pretty far-fetched, and the evidence to hand does not measure up to the level of far-fetchedness"

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hahaha. no, i said "i am open to being shown otherwise, but i feel it is pretty far-fetched, and the evidence to hand does not measure up to the level of far-fetchedness"

I am pretty sure that if one day you'll be confronted with a video evidence leaked from some government agency(not just frames) of a missile hitting the Pentagon, you'll dismiss it as fabrication

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I am pretty sure that if one day you'll be confronted with a video evidence leaked from some government agency(not just frames) of a missile hitting the Pentagon, you'll dismiss it as fabrication

no, the CTers are the ones that dismiss such obvious evidence. you know- like the debris from the plane in and around the pentagon, the dead bodies and personal effects from passengers and crew, the hundreds of witnesses that saw the plane hit the building, the fact that the plane hasnt turned up anywhere else. but i forget, it was a GOVERNMENT investigation that looked at the crash site, OMG conspiracy!

dickhead.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, the CTers are the ones that dismiss such obvious evidence. you know- like the debris from the plane in and around the pentagon, the dead bodies and personal effects from passengers and crew, the hundreds of witnesses that saw the plane hit the building, the fact that the plane hasnt turned up anywhere else. but i forget, it was a GOVERNMENT investigation that looked at the crash site, OMG conspiracy! dickhead.

There is no video evidence to suggest plane hit the Pentagon. Only the frames, which do not show the plane hitting the building. Whats preventing them from releasing the full video? Why is the video dated september 12, 2001?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium There is no video evidence to suggest plane hit the Pentagon. Only the frames, which do not show the plane hitting the building. Whats preventing them from releasing the full video? Why is the video dated september 12, 2001?

prove to me theres more video you clown. i love it how you guys make these assumptions, based on NOTHING as if its evidence nobody has said theres any more video other than you crazy ******s.

where did the plan wreckage come from?
what did the hundreds of witnesses really see?
where did the dead bodies come from?
the personal effects?
what knocked down the street lights on the approach vector?
where are the passengers from the flight?
where is the plane?

you ignore all these sensible questions in favour of some half-baked idea that the video shown isnt good enough.

shaolin, THIS is why the 911 movement gets me so riled up. what a load of bullshit.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

pkc must always fight. Why is that?