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ichi the killer
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Registered: Feb 2006
Location: paris

Hi everybody

I read the thread, this is fucking amazing and i now want to work on key mixing.

I have three questions.

1 : My track is CM at pitch 0; if i increase the pitch by 4%, i know i won't be on the following key ( C#M) cause the pitch is less than 5%.

But am i still on CM with the increase of 4%, or is it a GM ( CM= 6a, GM =7a)?

I guess it's still a CM but i am not sure .


2:If my first track is CM, and the incoming track is CM too, but has to be pitch up because of a slower BPM, until where can i pitch it and still be in key mixing ? 3% ? 4%? 6%? I guess if there is a semi tone change it will sound bad?

So, until where can i pitch the incoming track?


3: Cm to C#M lift the mix ( +7); so C#M to CM ( -7) slow down the mix right ?

Thanks !!!

Last edited by ichi the killer on Dec-07-2006 at 15:24

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Pinokio
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Panama City, Panama

quote:
Originally posted by ichi the killer
Hi everybody

I read the thread, this is fucking amazing and i now want to work on key mixing.

I have three questions.

1 : My track is CM at pitch 0; if i increase the pitch by 4%, i know i won't be on the following key ( C#M) cause the pitch is less than 5%.

But am i still on CM with the increase of 4%, or is it a GM ( CM= 6a, GM =7a)?

I guess it's still a CM but i am not sure .


2:If my first track is CM, and the incoming track is CM too, but has to be pitch up because of a slower BPM, until where can i pitch it and still be in key mixing ? 3% ? 4%? 6%? I guess if there is a semi tone change it will sound bad?

So, until where can i pitch the incoming track?


3: Cm to C#M lift the mix ( +7); so C#M to CM ( -7) slow down the mix right ?

Thanks !!!



1: It's not Cm nor Gm. If you increase the Pitch by 6 % it will be C#m (A semi-tone difference in camelot it's represented by +7, and -7).
Now if you have a song at Cm at Pitch 0, and you increase it by 4%, that's going to be somewhere between Cm and C#m, but it will be near C#m, so I would better consider it at C#m rather than Cm.

Think like this,

Bm(-6%)---(-5%)---(-4%)---(-3%)---(-2%)---(-1%)---Cm(0%)---(+1%)---(+2%)---(+3%)---(+4%)---(+5%)---C#m(+6%)


2:I wouldn't go over 3%, and if you have MAster Tempo you can use it, and you can change the tempo without changing the Key.


3:Correct. Just pay atention to your songs, song might be in key but it will not always sound good, and you might bring (+7) mixes, but they will not always increase the energy.


Here is a link so you can understand the chromatic scale:

http://www.ezfolk.com/guitar/Tutori...atic_scale.html


Hope that helps you


Pepa


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sterilis
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everytime i think im getting to know this harmonic mixing i find new shit out

think ill stick to the master tempo.


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ichi the killer
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Registered: Feb 2006
Location: paris

Thanks pinokio for ur answers !!!

U are the man !!!

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Pinokio
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Registered: Oct 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by ichi the killer
Thanks pinokio for ur answers !!!

U are the man !!!


You are welcome Mate

Cheers =)


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pkcRAISTLIN
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quote:
Originally posted by dj_kane
everytime i think im getting to know this harmonic mixing i find new shit out

think ill stick to the master tempo.


thats only gonna help you if you know what key youre in in the first place.


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996vtwin
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Registered: Feb 2006
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I cant even think about not using key lock or master tempo it just complicates things too much. If i want to play harmonically I either stay with the 2.5-3% range or use key lock or both.

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Nemesis44
ZZZZZzzzzzz.....



Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Brighton

I have found that master tempo on the CDJ1000 can actualy be quite handy and does open up quite a few mixing options.

Cheers
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Allayla
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: AZ

Does anyone know if the cdj 800 mk11 or cdj 200 have the key lock feature? i want to add a cdj and the 800 is in my price range at the moment

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Fusic
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Registered: Sep 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA

quote:
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Does anyone know if the cdj 800 mk11 or cdj 200 have the key lock feature? i want to add a cdj and the 800 is in my price range at the moment


the Mk11 doesnt but the MK15 does.

yea both the 800 and 200 have keylock


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chris harrington
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Registered: Dec 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

can anyone tell me if A#1 is the same as A#m?


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Nemesis44
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Registered: Aug 2003
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No, when you see numbers like that next to the note it usually is refering to the octave that the note is in. In this instance you would find this towards the far left of the key board so it's quite a bassey sound.

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