Yes, but alot of those dangers are physical , dangers of alot of drugs are definitely mental, neurological... that's a big difference.

I also agree, people need to be educated, but people are stupid, from my experience with them, so they don't care. If they don't choose to educate themselves, and continue being morons, it's my right to call them morons if I choose.

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i'm sorry mate but i disagree. you might say that drug users are ruining the club scene, i think its people that slate drug users that are ruining the scene. we don't want people who stand there and moan about people who take drugs, we just want everyone to enjoy the music, whether they take drugs or not. if people wanna do it, let them. its totally fair to say u no longer agree with the concept of drug usage, but its not fair to call people losers, morons or any insult for doing it.
do you see my point of view?


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everyone has their limit of how far they are willing to go and that includes drugs too. its hard to do but ppl have to learn to respect other people's limits and surround yourself with people that have the same limits as you.

hmm, judging from the replies i must say the defenders of drug use are just as close-minded as those against it!!

u cannot compare drug-use to extreme sports...sure they both have risks...but the comparisons die right there
how many extreme sports have a negative impact on society!?!...sure some sports maybe illegal, and we are talking about illegal substance here too...but i don't see major sports cartels being investigated by international police forces around the world!!
i don't care if drugs are bad, if they make u feel great, if u &*%(& take them everyday or whatever...but they are addictive and addictions make people do things they don't normally think of!!

if drug use was 100% about just taking risks then i'm sure most people wouldn't care either...but it's not...drug use introduces crime, is a detriment to society and destroys people's lives.

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as i was going to this boxing place in downtown detroit i saw some guy with no shirt and no shoes on walking around like he was fucking retarted, then he hit a crack pipe right in the middle of the street and proceeded to walk around. very disturbing i must say.

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Originally posted by havok118 How do you even know that I haven't done research, shit I should know, I've done that drug alot, and after the years of moderate usage, I came to that conclusion, ecstasy...for the most part...is for losers. Don't tell me I have a closed mind, you don't even know me...I am one of the most open-minded people I know. Fact is, nowadays, ecstasy hurts the electronic music scene, and frankly the people that use it piss me off. I accept it, but I dislike it. I find that the majority of ecstasy users are fairly new to the electronic music scene, or drug use in general. They try it a few times, and think they are a "raver", or they think they are hardcore because, "hey I use drugs, I'm cool". So don't slate me for being closed minded, I'd die for this music, I just hate the effect it has on the public opinion of people like myself, that choose not too be seen as a "raver", the conotation it brings with it being "hey you party, you do X and shit?" Hence the blatant comment. Shrooms on the other hand, are very spiritual, I have no problem whatsoever with the majority of drug usage, and I am very open to different experiences, but I'm also a bitter human being. Respect.

This has little to do with public opinion. The opinion is guided by ignorant media and politics in North America. Though, certain age groups (13-20) in the raves really give the scene a bad rap. So ignorance breeds ignorance, a common failing among Western countries.

Losers. It is a generation that lacks identity and individuality but needs to experiment to find a common ground within society and itself.

I am not bothered by what's going on. It's just growing pains. Which ever direction the scene goes (regionally, nationally, and globally), it will still be force of nature impossible to stop or suppressed. If raves become illegal in parts of North America, then it will just dive right back into its roots: the underground.

The smaller parties, the like-minded people, and true love of music. All of these elements are still in each very scene around the world.

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Originally posted by havok118 How do you even know that I haven't done research, shit I should know, I've done that drug alot, and after the years of moderate usage, I came to that conclusion, ecstasy...for the most part...is for losers. Don't tell me I have a closed mind, you don't even know me...I am one of the most open-minded people I know. Fact is, nowadays, ecstasy hurts the electronic music scene, and frankly the people that use it piss me off. I accept it, but I dislike it. I find that the majority of ecstasy users are fairly new to the electronic music scene, or drug use in general. They try it a few times, and think they are a "raver", or they think they are hardcore because, "hey I use drugs, I'm cool". So don't slate me for being closed minded, I'd die for this music, I just hate the effect it has on the public opinion of people like myself, that choose not too be seen as a "raver", the conotation it brings with it being "hey you party, you do X and shit?" Hence the blatant comment. Shrooms on the other hand, are very spiritual, I have no problem whatsoever with the majority of drug usage, and I am very open to different experiences, but I'm also a bitter human being. I have to disagree with this statement here. Absolutely contradicting. U slam one drug and then commend another? Doesn't make sense. "E" is not hurting the electronic music scene. It was there at the beginning and it will be there at the end. What is hurting the scene is people who are just into the drug itself and not the muzik. But, u have to give people time to come around. If the "posers" come around to the muzik great. If not, whatever then. It's not the drug, its the people. "Posers" are always gonna be around regardless of what drug it is...And as far as the rave community is concerned, i don't think there was a ever a pre-determined criteria. PLUR for anyone and everyone. Thats the beautiful thing about the movement today. Plenty of white suburban kids wear hip hop gear and talk slang and smoke weed. Are they hurting rap muzik? If u are truly open minded than u have to accept the fact that everybody has different reasons for doing their own thing. Much as it disagrees with how u and i look at, hey to each their own and good luck. If anything, if it bothers u that much then spread your knowledge and wisdom to those less fortunate about the electronic dance movement we love. Thats keeping an open mind. Respect.

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Originally posted by Fraggle hmm, judging from the replies i must say the defenders of drug use are just as close-minded as those against it!! u cannot compare drug-use to extreme sports...sure they both have risks...but the comparisons die right there how many extreme sports have a negative impact on society!?!...sure some sports maybe legal, and we are talking about illegal substance here too...but i don't see major sports cartels being investigated by international police forces around the world!! i don't care if drugs are bad, if they make u feel great, if u &*%(& take them everyday or whatever...but they are addictive and addictions make people do things they don't normally think of!! if drug use was 100% about just taking risks then i'm sure most people wouldn't care either...but it's not...drug use introduces crime, is a detriment to society and destroys people's lives.

Ever heard the saying, Perception is reality?? .... Well drug use introduces crime? OK, I'm not going to argue Crack cocaine use, but come on do you think Weed or mushrooms makes people criminals?!? Come on Alcohol is often involved in armed robberies, rape, assault, etc... Yet its illegal. Crime is often attributed to a persons living conditions, IE poor people are more likely to commit crime. Did you know that drug ABUSE is most common amongst lower income users. Drug 'PROBLEMS' are not as common in users of higher wealth, to them its just a problem.

Its all how you see it, I do drugs, I don't rape, murder, rob, etc... Yet you think drugs make people committ crime?? Situations make people commit crime!

When you say negetive impact on society thats where I feel the most disturbed. Lets say there is a drug, a drug that makes you look at life in a different light. Lets say magic mushrooms are that drug, safe, without side effects. You've never done them yet you condem them.

Do you know anything about Bhuddishm, its the search for the inner person, the destruction of the 'EGO' which plagues modern 'Western' society.. All bhuddists will know what I mean here.

If I said to you that mushrooms and the trips I have experience have given me a more broader and more empathatic look at the world, what would you say? That I probably will get addicted and go rob a liquor store?

I feel no matter what you believe that you should not insult something you don't understand. Would you go up to a person who was an alcoholic and say, "Hey I understand what its like".... Of course not! You don't know. If some drugs did beneficial things, why are they then considered bad! I don't know if you know this, but if you were to fill a bar with people smoking marijuana, there would be likely no fights. If you filled a bar with Liquor, guess what, fights, fights, fights... So what makes Alcohol OK and weed not! If you want to argue side effects, please do, I will bring down upon you all the statistics that science can provide, and you'll be surprised.

I used to be an anti-drug proponent, but since then I have opened my mind to something that I never understood. You need to do the same, if you choose not to do drugs, thats totally fine, I understand where you are coming from. But please don't preach to us who do, if you could only see the amazing things I have seen on mushrooms, you might have an idea of what is out there. Do you think magic and witchcraft came from sober minds, no, drugs have been around for 1000's of years and their effect on mankind is noted in history.

By the way, if you talk of addictions, Caffeene and tobacco are WAY more addictive than weed. Mushrooms are NOT addictive, there is no physical addiction possible to a toxin.

I educate myself, when I was an anti-drug proponent I read all the literature from DARE, Drug free america, and I spouted it to all my friends who did drugs.... What I came to realize is that these anti-drug organiziations abused the facts, manipulated truths... Even journals of medicine have been more forthcoming, and I'm talking about journals that are written, edited, and read by only Doctors!

Just recently a study was approved to study the effects of Psilocybin, and Pcilocyn{sp?}, the active ingredients of magic mushrooms. The government can't even stop what many already know, that some illegal drugs can benefit society, yes benefit! One day you'll see certain drugs are being given the same treatment and ignorance that alcohol recieved during prohabition.

There are treatments out there that the Government wont approve. Let me just list a few. Cluster headaches, think a migrane is bad, these people suffer immensly from this terrible affliction. Guess what, magic mushrooms are PROVEN to control these attacks!.. Guess whats being done about their theraputic effects, NOTHING. Medical Marijuana use, people dying should be allowed to fight off the pain, when codeine doesn't work and MJ does, why can't sick people use it!

There are LSD, Magic mushroom, MDMA underground therapy groups all around the world, working to help people with their problems. Theres TONS of evidence to prove their effectiveness, yet nobody wants to hear it!

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I couldn't have said it better myself Thor... so I won't. I'd just like to say thanks, you probably saved me an hour or so of writing my own reply My God... intelligent conversation on the Chill-Out forum, and to think I almost skipped this thread.

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Sorry Fraggle for picking on you, I don't want to come across as a mean guy, I'm really nice..... but

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but i don't see major sports cartels being investigated by international police forces around the world!!

Its funny, but you think because sports are legal they are morally just. You don't think people die because of corruption, you don't think wealth corrupts, you don't think power is abused? The government sends special forces to fight for them, CIA, NSA (5 times bigger than the CIA and FBI combined), are out to 'protect' the interest of the government. You don't think they kill and abuse their powers? Its all how you percieve life I guess, I know that society needs order, but the ones in power want to control more and more. It goes to the old saying Absolute power, corrupts absolutely

The drug war is a failure, always will be. You can't stop the demand for water if people are thirsty. People want drugs, people will get them. Is it not more reasonable to legalize and make drugs safer by controlling it? Violence from drugs is brought about because of the fact its illegal, don't you think the prisons, and police would be happy to see drugs legal in a responsible way?

You think a guy who grows Marijuana in his basement for him and his friends deserves to rot in jail? He does no harm to anyone yet he's the evil guy. If Marijuana was legalized, we would be releasing about 30-40% of the current inmates in prison. You think thats bad, well let me tell you an interesting fact. Of non-violent crimes, drug related offences are the harshest sentances in courts today. Rapists, murderers are getting shortenend sentences because of overcrowding.

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"i don't care if drugs are bad, if they make u feel great, if u &*%(& take them everyday or whatever...but they are addictive and addictions make people do things they don't normally think of!!

If you take drugs everyday you have problems, same with drinking everyday.. I see no difference, using either responsibly is the key here. Let me ask you this, if you took 100 drinkers, how many would be alcoholics? The statistics may vary, but we would likely see around 3-5% be unable to handle drinking. You think somehow because drugs are illegal that the statitics change? Of course there are drugs that are dangerous and highly addictive, heroin, crack, etc.. But even those drugs there is a % of people who get addicted.

There are actually people who can try crack cocaine and walk away, in fact out of 100 people only 10-20 would have lingering desires to have another hit. And this is with a drug that is taylor made for addiction. Certain individuals are more prone to addiction to others, some of this psychological, but mostly we are talking physiological addiction here.

You are tought to think all the rules are different for something thats illegal, like somehow if the government makes a decision for you that it couldn't be wrong One day you'll see the government wants conformity, not rebeliousness like often drug use inspires. How can you support a government that wants to keep positive enlightenment from you?

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if drug use was 100% about just taking risks then i'm sure most people wouldn't care either...but it's not...drug use introduces crime, is a detriment to society and destroys people's lives.

Alcohol destroys peoples lives, eating disorders, stress, perscription abuse, etc.... Again need I mention that with almost anything in life, there is always a minority that abuses what most people handle with no problem. Crime is introduced to society by the fact that drugs are illegal, if they weren't do you think there would be cartels? do you think prisons would be overcrowded?

The vast majority of drug users are responsible, not addicted, and usefull members of society. Like with alcohol, drugs have the addicts that are the minority. Why do you think its different with drugs? Because DARE or Drug free america told you so?

You've been in a way brainwashed by media to think so negetively of drugs, almost 99% of the time I come across anti-drug proponents they don't know facts to back up their claims against drugs. I read all I can and make my judgements based on those FACTS. If you want to be a sheep who listens to media and very biased anti-drug groups fine, but please realize there are 2 sides to every coin. It just happens to be the case that on the FACT side, much of drug users can find comfort in the fact we aren't as bad as we are made out to be

Knowladge is Power, please feel free to bring up specific points against drugs and I'll be more than happy to show you the other side of the coin. Like Bhudda says, unlearn everything you've been tought, learn everything on your own, make your OWN decisions based on your learned thoughts and expereiences and then make them your beliefs.... Don't just believe what your told, thats the worst crime of all.

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Originally posted by Thor I think an ounce is 28 grams, so half ounce 14, 1/8th is 7 grams.. I'm not positive but thats probably close enough anyways.

just gotta put you right on that... an 1/8th is 3.5 grams. a quart is 7 grams

Thank the US gov for all the drugs in good old America, who do you think let them in??? It's called population control.

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