its no use arguing with you guys becuase your already too deep in the rabbit hole and your never gonna beleive anythign else than what has been fed to you by all the major religous outlets.
to suffice i wasnt saying that science> religion
i was just saying that in the case of the FIRST post, if you knew any science or math in that case or just some good common sense, you would realize its a very biased unture document

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Originally posted by Photo_bot_2k1 its no use arguing with you guys becuase your already too deep in the rabbit hole and your never gonna beleive anythign else than what has been fed to you by all the major religous outlets. to suffice i wasnt saying that science> religion i was just saying that in the case of the FIRST post, if you knew any science or math in that case or just some good common sense, you would realize its a very biased unture document

Mmmmm I study science and.. Math.. your point??.. Its all about faith dude. And if you so say its science, give me an answer to all the many things. Anyways, enough of it, like you said, its pointless to "argue with you" .. although there is nothing to argue about, just a smooth discussion.. But w/e.

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lol smooth discussion. right.

Any thread, any discussion on religion where there are opposing viewpoints end with a spar of words and the belief that one another is ignorant.

That and the fact that all who come in the thread with one frame of mind, leaves with the same. No one's mind will be changed by reading a couple posts.

The religious holds to faith, whereas non-believers hold to science.

What more is there to say.

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Originally posted by You aint Ninja lol smooth discussion. right. Any thread, any discussion on religion where there are opposing viewpoints end with a spar of words and the belief that one another is ignorant. That and the fact that all who come in the thread with one frame of mind, leaves with the same. No one's mind will be changed by reading a couple posts. The religious holds to faith, whereas non-believers hold to science. What more is there to say.

I ment smooth in terms of showing on what you believe in without offending another. We are in a civilized world,with civilized people, so it can be true someday eh?? hehehe.. and yes your right, no one will change others beliefs.. but, its just an interesting topic, so many views, so many different belifs.. its interesting, at least to me.

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the real story of Creation



In the beginning, God created heaven and earth.

Shortly thereafter God was in receipt of a notice to show cause why he shouldn't be cited for failure to file an environmental impact statement. He was granted a temporary planning permit for the project, but was stymied by a Cease and Desist Order for the earthly part.

At the hearing, God was asked why he began his earthly project in the first place. He replied that he just liked to be creative.

Then God said, "Let there be light."

Officials immediately demanded to know how the light would be made. Would it require strip mining? What about thermal pollution?

God explained that the light would come from a huge ball of fire, and provisional approval was granted with the proviso that no smoke would result.

The authorities demanded the issuance of a building permit, and (to conserve energy) required that the light be left off half the time. God agreed, saying he would call the light "Day" and the darkness "Night." Officials replied that they were only interested in protecting the environment, not in semantics.

God said, "Let the earth bring forth green herb and such as many seed."

The EPA agreed, so long as only native seed was used.

Then God said, "Let waters bring forth creeping creatures having life; and the fowl that may fly over the earth."

Officials pointed out this would require approval from the Department of Game coordinated with the Heavenly Wildlife Federation and the Audubongelic Society.

Everything went along smoothly until God declared that he intended to complete the project in six days.

Officials informed God it would take at least 200 days to review his many waiver applications and environmental impact statements. After that there would have to be a public hearing, and then there would be a 10-12 month probationary period before....

At this point, God created Hell.

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Originally posted by Izzy the real story of Creation In the beginning, God created heaven and earth. Shortly thereafter God was in receipt of a notice to show cause why he shouldn't be cited for failure to file an environmental impact statement. He was granted a temporary planning permit for the project, but was stymied by a Cease and Desist Order for the earthly part. At the hearing, God was asked why he began his earthly project in the first place. He replied that he just liked to be creative. Then God said, "Let there be light." Officials immediately demanded to know how the light would be made. Would it require strip mining? What about thermal pollution? God explained that the light would come from a huge ball of fire, and provisional approval was granted with the proviso that no smoke would result. The authorities demanded the issuance of a building permit, and (to conserve energy) required that the light be left off half the time. God agreed, saying he would call the light "Day" and the darkness "Night." Officials replied that they were only interested in protecting the environment, not in semantics. God said, "Let the earth bring forth green herb and such as many seed." The EPA agreed, so long as only native seed was used. Then God said, "Let waters bring forth creeping creatures having life; and the fowl that may fly over the earth." Officials pointed out this would require approval from the Department of Game coordinated with the Heavenly Wildlife Federation and the Audubongelic Society. Everything went along smoothly until God declared that he intended to complete the project in six days. Officials informed God it would take at least 200 days to review his many waiver applications and environmental impact statements. After that there would have to be a public hearing, and then there would be a 10-12 month probationary period before.... At this point, God created Hell.

Odd I thought I was the only one to believe in that creation story. Glad to have a brother!


As for the debate.. I won't add into it but I do believe the following... wait first let me state that I was once an Atheist.. actually I was always an Atheist.. now the following:

Now I am a deist, I believe there is much spirtuality in this world, I do believe there are powers at hand that we can not comprehend, only by terming it God. I do believe that believing in religion is healthy for an indivdiual (as long as its not excessive... as with everything else in life). Associating with a superior creature, simply makes one feel superior - so wether this creature exists or not doesn't matter... it needs to exist, therefore it exists. Thats how I sort of see it...

It's complicated, I'll get back to you in a few years when I have it all figured out

Now see, if the church sermons were anything like Izzy's religous stories I'm certain I would be a much better catholic. I think you missed your true calling in life Izzy.

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Originally posted by occrider Now see, if the church sermons were anything like Izzy's religous stories I'm certain I would be a much better catholic. I think you missed your true calling in life Izzy.

hallelujah, my friend, hallelujah!


I feel I have been blessed with enough praise to warrant an encore, so to all around hear ye, hear ye. this is the story about God Going To Capitol Hill:

In today's political climate, the formulation of law does not follow a heavenly model. To illustrate how low we've sunk, here's how the Ten Commandments might have been developed if the process were governed by current political rules.

Chief heavenly pollster informs God of alarming findings: His flock is hungry for moral guidance.

God floats a trial balloon, leaking word to key town criers that he is formulating a comprehensive policy statement on proscribed human behavior to be called "The Ten Commandments."

Opponents are sharply critical of the plan, asking, "Do you want the same guy who runs the weather to tell you how to live your life?"
Slipping in the polls, the Deity taps David Gergen, formerly associated with the Party of Darkness, as "Counsel to the Creator." Gergen sees "absolutely no problem" with his previous service under Satan.

"All The Almighty's Men," a scathing insider view of celestial politics is released, triggering a nosedive in the Lord's approval rating.

National Big Heavy Stones Association demands rescission of "Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder" prohibition, claiming it infringes on the protected Right to Bear Arms and noting that "Rocks Don't Smote People, People Smote People."

God appoints Moses, influential human being person, as his Morality Spin Doctor. They brainstorm strategy: "What if we chiseled the thing on a tablet or something, and you come down from a mountain holding it up above your head looking like Charlton Heston. Would that not be an awesome Photo Op, or what?"

Pharaoh Cuomo tries to horn into the spotlight, declaring, "The Ten Commandments do not go far enough." He agonizes publicly over a possible run at divinity himself, deciding in the end that "the Pharaohship is where I belong now."

Moses presents the Ten Commandments (now renamed by Gergen "The Guaranteed Pathway to The Rapture Security Act") as planned in a dramatic ceremony at the Pearly Gates, featuring a hot "Rock n Roll Heaven" Band.

Tsenturion Tsongas ridicules the plan, quipping, "I'm not Santa Claus - I can't promise you eternal life if you follow ten rules." Tsongas suggests a

$1.00 per grain Sand Tax to pay for the sins of the people. He is stoned.

The People oppose the plan upon learning of its strict rules, including a uniform penalty for non-compliance: roasting in the white-hot flames of hell for eternity. The Lord backpedals, saying, "I have never said that all of the Commandments are written in stone. All I want is righteousness as a whole. If we can approve "No Cussing" this year, we'll phase in the others over a ten-year period.

"Adulterers of the Euphrates" puts considerable pressure on the King of Kings through their powerful lobbying group. God agrees to an amendment stating, "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery, Unless Thou Art Bigtime Sorry."

One week before the vote, God gets tough, saying to Abraham: "Unless you vote for the package as proposed, I will take your first-born son." Abraham responds, "Okay, but you've got to come down to Mesopotamia and stand next to me on the podium at the Shepherd's of Distinction luncheon."

A formal vote is held up in Congress when greedy representatives saddle the bill with the most useless make-work pork barrel project in history -- The Pyramids.

Centurion Helms filibusters over failure to add Eleventh Commandment forbidding man to lie down with man.

God goes directly to the people in a "Fireside Chat" -- his head appears in their fireplaces, surrounded by flames. Ratings are tremendous.

Gergen advises the Lord, "You are coming across as too High and Mighty."

The Lord snaps back at Gergen "I am high and mighty." You need to loosen up your image. Perhaps you can take up a musical instrument. See if Gabriel can teach you how to use that horn.

Ponchus Perot appears on the "King Larry" show to debate. He is humiliated, causing an upsurge in support for the Ten Commandments, but not enough to win the votes.

After a flurry of amendments and broad changes in the package as originally proposed, the bill is passed.

The Lord signs the bill into law in a ceremony in the Cloud Garden. As passed, the law contains no commandments, but authorizes new aqueduct projects in the home districts of five key Centurions.

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Heh.

Reminds me of the "OT According to Spike Milligan" that I read a while back if any of you are familiar with it.

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Originally posted by DJBARON like about G-d being created, its stupid assumption because G-d is at the TOP, G-d is PERFECTION, not having BEEN CREATED is a necessary attribute to there being a G-d because if something was created that you guys are defining as G-d, surely what CREATED that, is G-d and not the creation.

Well, the same thing you can then say about the universe itself. It too does not need a creator, it may have always existed as well. And as far as perfection goes, it never seems to break any of its laws. So in a sense, it is perfect as well.

And just another thing, I don't mean to be insulting, but your writing of the word god as G-d is pretty silly. You're avoiding the direct command that the word "god" should not be spoken in vain (which in this case really isn't) by substituting it with another word of the same meaning. In your article, G-d unmistakeably means god, so you're still mentioning the word. Therefore you're putting more importance into the actual grammar of the command than into its meaning. This reminds me of the spanish inquisition. They found some text in the bible that said something along the lines of a person being forbidden to spill the blood of another individual. Then they started drowning their victims instead, so that no blood would be spilled. Talk about missing the point.

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and just a side note, notice how the dumbshits that are against israel and so passionate about the israeli aggression cannot even fathom a response to this post, because they are uneducated halfwits. No insult here, i'm speaking genuinely. These idiots that talk smack now in a real intellectual conversation say what?? NOTHING BENEFICIAL!!! i say we need to get people that contribute nothing intellectually BANNED from JUST this forum... that way we leave it good. and create a new forum called jibberish for fools

Well, until recently, you were the only pro-israeli discussing this matter. Still, not participating in this debate that you so pompously call a real intellectual conversation does not indicate one's stupidity, rather one's lack of interest or indecission on the matter. Besides, you didn't come up by your arguments yourself as well, you just copy-pasted them from another site. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it doesn't tell anything about your own intellectual capabilities. Somehow I have a feeling you're not quite secure about yourself, as you both directly and indirectly keep mentioning your superb intellect.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 This reminds me of the spanish inquisition. They found some text in the bible that said something along the lines of a person being forbidden to spill the blood of another individual. Then they started drowning their victims instead, so that no blood would be spilled. Talk about missing the point.

Hehe.. that so reminds me of Monty Python

Ducks float - therefore they're made out of wood.