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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I'm not blowing things out of proportion....I'm just sick of the attitude on here and that some of my friends have that E and other chemical drugs are 100% safe. What people should be saying is that "It's risky but worth it to me", not "you have more chance of dying from eating a chocolate bar" or something stupid like that.

no one has said that they are 100% safe. not one person has said that. very little is 100% safe. as I have mentioned in all my posts. You are in no position to talk about how safe it is b/c you have done no research about it.

Tsk, I warned people about this guy... don'tchas trust my radar yet?

I'd love for someone to actually attempt to medically define the word "drug." I think what everybody's trying to say here is, what is so bad about chemical substances that [very slowly] destroy our brain, when we ingest chemical substances that destroy our bodies every day?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 no...marijauna and mushrooms are plants that grow from the earth and are not potentially fatal. The toxins in them give you the high, but it's not hazardous to your life. Since when is someone going to overdose or have a seizure on a joint or a few mushrooms? People overdose on chemical drugs all the the time...it's one of the leading killers, not THE leading killer, but one of them. When I did E the first time, I got it off my friend who does it all the time.....he's one of the people I mentioned that will sit there all day and tell you how nothing can go wrong, yadda yadda. He says he got if off his dealer.....how the fuck do I know who his dealer is....how do I know what is being put into the pill? Come on...you can blindly trust people all you want, but I'm not into that. I was at the Bachus Lounge in London in October of 2002. It was a Goldclub sponsored night, but I forget who was spinning...some local guy that played a lot of shitty progressive. Anyway, this guy at the front was obviously whacked on E and I saw him, first hand, have a seizure...he was shaking all over and frothing from the mouth...his eyes were bulging....it was fucking scary. The ambulance came and he ended up being ok, but seeing that first hand made me decide I will never try those drugs again.

Dude,

Just do your bloody homework (like the rest of us have) and let us carry on with our conversation:
www.dancesafe.org
www.ecstasy.org
www.thegooddrugsguide.com

Thanks!

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Originally posted by CrasherKid Well reading teh new Mixmag, stumble across a nice little story about a new drug called; 2C-i The pill has the trippiness of acid, and the chattiness of E. Colours appear more vivid, the music sounds more sensual and you feel more energetic. Hmm sounds very tempting, anyone else have any take on this, or better yet, has anyone tried it yet???

This is quite interesting. Has anyone ever actually tried doing acid and E at the same time. I think that would be really weird.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess This is quite interesting. Has anyone ever actually tried doing acid and E at the same time. I think that would be really weird.

myfriend in NYC have done it...refered to as 'candy flipping' it sounds a little intense.

Nobody knows what the long term effects of doing recreational drugs like E is on the human brain...

Just take care guys thats all! You've all seen the dancedafe.com (i think) slide show about possible MDMA neurotixicity and so on..

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Originally posted by charmscars no one has said that they are 100% safe. not one person has said that. very little is 100% safe. as I have mentioned in all my posts. You are in no position to talk about how safe it is b/c you have done no research about it.

I don't need to do homework (I have enough of that already)....there is enough information out there in the media about how drugs like that can be lethal. I've done E myself and I know what's it all about so at least I do have experience that way.

But your causes of death argument is irrelevant....obviously people die from those causes....they have since the beginning of time (heart disease, cancer, suicide, etc) Sure, alcohol kills more people, but that's because people drink really fucking irresponsibly sometimes (I mean 20+ beers in 3 hours, stupid shit like that that I've seen at frat parties and such). But if you drink like a person with a brain, the most that will ever happen to you is you might puke (which I'm sure everyone has gone through ). But you can be as responsible as you want with something like E and it can still kill you.

But whatever....I'm just arguing my opinion. This is just a friendly debate....is it not?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I don't need to do homework (I have enough of that already)....there is enough information out there in the media about how drugs like that can be lethal. I've done E myself and I know what's it all about so at least I do have experience that way. But your causes of death argument is irrelevant....obviously people die from those causes....they have since the beginning of time (heart disease, cancer, suicide, etc) Sure, alcohol kills more people, but that's because people drink really fucking irresponsibly sometimes (I mean 20+ beers in 3 hours, stupid shit like that that I've seen at frat parties and such). But if you drink like a person with a brain, the most that will ever happen to you is you might puke (which I'm sure everyone has gone through ). But you can be as responsible as you want with something like E and it can still kill you. But whatever....I'm just arguing my opinion. This is just a friendly debate....is it not?

you aren't citing anything tho. the 'media' is vague term. If you have done e yourself i would have though that you would have atleast discovered what it was ad n what it does while in your body/how it wokrs. the 'media' sometimes reports about studies that are designed to show ill- effects of e, but are not conclusive. like lab tests on rats that were given the equivalentg to 10 or 20 pills every day for a month. or by saying that teh cause of death was e when it was other things (for example the leah betts case- she dies from overdosing on water). ther is also a lot of misinformation in teh media (is e drains your spinal fluid). you obviously knwo little about this, which is what makes agusing w/ you so annoying. you just keep coming back w/ nothing. you don't seem to really read or understand or consider what anyone else is writing.

and how was my citaion of teh leading killers irelavanet. you said 'illegal drugs were a leading cause of death and you were incorrect.

give me some proof of this. where is your info cming from that is inforing this?

"But you can be as responsible as you want with something like E and it can still kill you."

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 But you can be as responsible as you want with something like E and it can still kill you

E cannot kill you on its own. As (many, MANY) others have said before me, it is usually due to a synergistic interaction between other factors, such as drinking excessive water or excessive heat or mixing with other drugs or alcohol.
Check out this link for more deets:
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ecstasy/dangers.htm

And it kinda doesn't sound like you're just arguing. But that's just me. Whatever...
Research is key for anything you decide to ingest these days, whether it's drugs, alcohol or even just your run-of-the-mill household products and food. And that's the end of my little story.

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Originally posted by Pixiechick E cannot kill you on its own. As (many, MANY) others have said before me, it is usually due to a synergistic interaction between other factors, such as drinking excessive water or excessive heat or mixing with other drugs or alcohol. Check out this link for more deets: http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ecstasy/dangers.htm And it kinda doesn't sound like you're just arguing. But that's just me. Whatever... Research is key for anything you decide to ingest these days, whether it's drugs, alcohol or even just your run-of-the-mill household products and food. And that's the end of my little story.

word to that!

Oh, and one more thing. In case you don't feel like doing MORE homework, since it sounds like you've done SO much already, this is what the link that I posted says, in a nutshell:
"The current rate is 7 deaths per million users per year (connected to Ecstasy use). More people die fishing or eating peanuts."

That is all.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 sure think Ultra Magnus.... I actually enjoy smokes. But yes, I'm addicted and it is stupid, but I'm working on it. At least with smokes it doesn't kill you within a few minutes.....you can do it for awhile and then realise how stupid it is. With E or this new Super Pill, you might not have more than one opportunity.

I am unaware of any strictly "E" deaths locally. Any death attributed to "E" in local media are claimed as "E" related cause the kid ended up taking something that wasn't purely E, or more oft than not GHB. Unfortunatly the media hardly ever differentiate between the two, calling GHB "Liquid E", hence the misconstrued news reports.

I remember when @ the peak of the anti-rave/club movement in 2000, a kid died @ eXit, during the inquiry into the death of another kid a few years before. Both deaths were claimed as E related, but MDMA wasn't found in their system, however lots of other chemicals were.

The obvious message is to be extremely careful what you take. There is no label on pills, so if you take something, try to make sure others are walking around trippin on it first

As for claims about "spine melting" or killing you, that's the stupidest paranoia I've heard since 1999 when the E craze was relaively new to the mass public. There have been under 50 deaths since they started tracking it in Ontario since the late 1980s, none of them soley attributed to E, but claimed again as "related". The reason your spine hurts after & during use is due to the fact our out of shape asses are dancing/bouncing/sitting awkwardly for up to 8hrs in a hot/humid smokey environment.

Most people on this site have done E, and like anything else I'm sure they'll tell you there are some side effects, but like alcohol, they are only major with frequent abuse, not once in awhile use.