can't be arsed to read the rest of this thread

males dominate everything, its the way its always been

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thanx Ste

We're smarter and stuff.

/me hides

this may have been already said, im too lazy to read the thread, but i dont really care if its male dominated industry.(P.S im as straight as an arrow.) Wen i go to an event or club, im not there to pull a bird, im there for the music solely. if i wanna pull ill go my local cheese club, get tanked up on econo vodka, put my ear plugs in, and pull sum slag shaking her rear to 50 cent. BO SELECTA

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI Brass Monkey that funky Monkey Chang Monkey Chelsea junkie That fucking Monkey

Well...

I'm not sure how I ended up in this thread, but I'm certainly entertained by the ideas many men have about females and their attitudes towards DJing and electronic music in general.

Perhaps I'm an anomaly...but when I got dragged out to a Misstress B gig, after listening to diva house and trance for quite some time, I was hooked. I was drawn in to the rythmic, cyclical nature of techno, the layering, the complexity. And god damn, I was absolutely fascinated by this amazing woman up there creating it all, ordering her dancefloor denizons to follow her every move, to obey her every command.

I left the club exhausted, and a little confused...as if I didn't know what had just happened. Where did this music come from and why was it so addictive?

So after that I began listening to her stuff, and checking out "techno." The loops, the tribal, the drums, the snares, the high hats just pulled me further and further in. About a year and a half after that first experience, I bought decks and techno records and just went to town...6 months after that was my first gig and I take every chance I get to play out for people. And I'm still following Miss B's sound...I've been to about 10 or 11 of her gigs in the last 2.5 years. She never ceases to amaze and inspire me...

Which leads me to wonder, why am I so apparently abnormal, compared to so many other females out there? (in this respect, anyways) Why do so many more men find have this same experience compared to women?

Some interesting theories have been brought up, and I can't say any of them convince me...but that's probably because they just seem so foreign. I just don't get it.

It's actually not the fact that the industry is male dominated. The real fact is that the A List DJ's Rank (or as they call it, the upper echelon of dance music) is a notoriously closed rank. Not many deejays have got into it of late and those who have, got help from the big names. I view dance music as like a mafia because it's hard to get in but once you get in, you are in. Look at the top deejays, most are mid 30's to early 40's and all the others have been left in the dust. Cox, Oakenfold, Jules, Tongy are all 40+ and they show no signs of letting other deejays in. The only real deejay under 27 is Fergie but he had help from Tony De Vit. I don't think it is baring females, it bars males, the dance music scene is pathetic. I mean you look at drum'N'Bass and jungle, run basically by Grooverider and Fabio and if they like you, might get in. THey don't like you, no chance in hell, hence why DJ Rap got fed up of the politics and moved to LA. DJ Krust met MC Tali and instantly liked her and she got in to the ranks. Lottie is in the A List deejays, Sandra Collins is as well, expect more in the future when hopefully the old guard decides to STFU and spend time with their kids and stop touring as much. So in short, I doubt it is the male dominated industry...view it that way but I think it is more of the old guard not giving up anything in a rediculously hard to achieve anything (male or female) industry.

In my experience, I think girls dont DJ because they know people likely dont respect them for their skills, they just are like 'wow, look at her tits!' That being said, if i heard a technically good female dj, id go see her. oh yeah and if all a girl wanted to do was make money, she should learn basic beatmatching

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give it a few more years and I think you'll see alot more women coming out and showing us what's up. not to be a sexest or anything, but if you look at history, most of the time men dominate fields (whatever it may be) then women come and out and show us how it's done.

more power to ya.

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Well, as i see this topic more then the original question. Now it is about producing, djing, dancing.

I think most questions answered, but we haven't talked about producing as much as it is necessary
And please, girls, skip my message, you won't like it

First of all what we looking for : a female producing trance / other edm music. In this case the female needs to find trance interesting, needs to have a good computer / instument / internet knowledge / creativity / lots of time.

Look at the male producers : most of them spend hours or even days in a studio. It is so boring for a girl. Girls like chating, dressing, buyin clother, dancing for some crap music. But most of them don't like spendig hours with technical stuffs.

There are lots of such hobbies / jobs. Look at the programmers, the mechanics, architects, etc. They are all engineers. If you want to be good in your job, then you will need to spend lots of time in front of your computer, or in front of electronic devices, or in front of your desk. Do you think most of the females likes such things ?

Also all the engineers have a so-called "logical thinking" which means they can see/define the world with some hard lines or rules without EMOTION (!) It is easy to see that the one of the thing define females behaviour is the emotions. No emotion = girls don't like it.

If you are a good producer / programmer / engineer, then you sacrifice a big part of your life. Because you want to be in that hobbi/job what you do. It isn't sound very well for a female, who wants to "life her life", looking good, chating, etc.

I think all these things is in our genes. I know there are some female exceptions (even in this topic), but all these jobs/hobbies are not for the females. And it is good, because when god created us they assigned us diffenent body and different skills.

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Originally posted by feri Well, as i see this topic more then the original question. Now it is about producing, djing, dancing. I think most questions answered, but we haven't talked about producing as much as it is necessary And please, girls, skip my message, you won't like it First of all what we looking for : a female producing trance / other edm music. In this case the female needs to find trance interesting, needs to have a good computer / instument / internet knowledge / creativity / lots of time. Look at the male producers : most of them spend hours or even days in a studio. It is so boring for a girl. Girls like chating, dressing, buyin clother, dancing for some crap music. But most of them don't like spendig hours with technical stuffs. There are lots of such hobbies / jobs. Look at the programmers, the mechanics, architects, etc. They are all engineers. If you want to be good in your job, then you will need to spend lots of time in front of your computer, or in front of electronic devices, or in front of your desk. Do you think most of the females likes such things ? Also all the engineers have a so-called "logical thinking" which means they can see/define the world with some hard lines or rules without EMOTION (!) It is easy to see that the one of the thing define females behaviour is the emotions. No emotion = girls don't like it. If you are a good producer / programmer / engineer, then you sacrifice a big part of your life. Because you want to be in that hobbi/job what you do. It isn't sound very well for a female, who wants to "life her life", looking good, chating, etc. I think all these things is in our genes. I know there are some female exceptions (even in this topic), but all these jobs/hobbies are not for the females. And it is good, because when god created us they assigned us diffenent body and different skills.

you SOOO don't speak for all the males on this one. i guarantee there is MANY females out there who spend MANY hours in the studio. i think they are more picky than males (some aren't) and it just takes them longer to produce songs.

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Originally posted by neoh I find that most females are too worried about their looks and self esteem to dance to the music.

hmm I don't care what people think of me when I'm dancing to trance the most important thing is that I feel good and listening/dancing to trance makes me feel good! trance gives me this feelings, no other genre ever can give! that's just my opinion... but I have a lot of friends who love rnb because they can really dance on it. you know it, the ass-shaking thing:

the reason why they don't listen to trance is imo the fact that no one here in my town listens to trance and they all just started listening to rnb and stuff at high school, I guess

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Originally posted by feri Look at the male producers : most of them spend hours or even days in a studio. It is so boring for a girl. Girls like chating, dressing, buyin clother, dancing for some crap music. But most of them don't like spendig hours with technical stuffs.

not all the girls like only those things! there are many girls out there (me included) that hates shopping for hours, hates rnb and so on...

but I agree with you on the fact that it's an time-consuming and very expensive hobby/work! I'm also interested in producing/djing but at this moment (I'm a college student) 1. I have no time at all... 2. I don't have the money to buy all the technical material you need for producing/djing I hope to begin with it when I work later

I agree with torontotrance. the list contains a few female dj's because the industry is very close. it was kind of funny that he compared it to a maffia that's all I can say about this subject.

/me goes enjoying some good music

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I remember reading an article by sister bliss and in it she said that as a female dj, she doesnt get respect like other males.
She basically said along the lines that she had to work ten times harder to prove her skills then some guy off the street.
Ill have a look round for it