ok i see

i was just wondering why ppl say they are so crap

i think most of the ppl here on the forum only listens to electronical music, and i find them very good for that kind of music

i've also listened to some rap and some punk, not as good for those genres (i can admit that), but otherwise i think its worth the money


thnx for posting a reply though

now i know what kind of music i shouldn't listen to with my headset

I have seen many a headphone in my time and I have to recommend ...*even tho some of you dislike them* the Sony MDR-V700DJ. They are very durable, they have crisp highs and very distincive lows that make for great beatmatching! There is NO distortion whatsoever, and as for the makeup of the phones themselves..very..VERY wisthstanding to the beating and fast-paced actions of the DJ!

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ARGH!!!!

The V700's might be OKAY for *listening* to electronic music (but you can get stuff just as good for $20, so, you are paying $140 more than you need to for that purpose [because electronic music tends to ask the LEAST of equipment, so it can be played well on crappy equipment]), but the MDR-V700DJ IS BAD FOR CREATING ELECTRONIC MUSIC!!!

Okay...

let's talk about bass, shall we?

First, some definitions:

You all think:

Bass = 80 to 160 hz

Sub-bass = <80 hz

So I'll go with that. I disagree, because I go with this:

"Extreme bottom below 32 Hz
Low bass, bottom octave 20 to 40 Hz
Midbass 40 to 80 Hz
Upper bass 80 to 160 Hz
Lower midrange 160 to 320 Hz "

but let's use your all's definition of bass for the time being, alright?

The MDR-V700's bass is slow, sloppy, undefined, and overpowers basically every other part of the sound. PLus, the MDR-V700 doesn't really have any sub-bass. HEAR THAT? THE V700 DOESN'T HAVE ANY REALLY DEEP BASS. Here's the thing about the V700 compared to, say, the MDR-V6...BECAUSE the bass on the V700 is SLOW, you actually *STOP* hearing the bass *AFTER* the signal for "bass" is no longer being sent to the headphones! The resonance makes it bounce around forever, making it louder and less defined, and makes it LAST LONGER.

*PLUS*, if you want to give your bass the *WHAM*, the tightness, the SOUND beyond being a sine wave (by adding harmonics to it, by adding stuff from the 2k to 5k range to the bass thump to make it a WHAM rather than a WHUM), the V700 doesn't let you HEAR those to put them in, because the bass overpowers everything else!

Just get the MDR-V6. TRUST ME!

Oh, and about the build quality of the V700's? The plastic starts to crack after a while at the joints....and the V6's? Radio stations are still putting pairs DECADES OLD (well, a decade and some years old) through day-to-day wear-and-tear abuse (getting run over by chairs, for example), and they STILL hold up!

Here's the thing.....WHY buy any of the MDR-V###DJ series when you can get the V6's, which are FAR better than *ANY* of them, for *ANY* use, for $70? A good headphone should work with listening to ANY type of music, which the V6 *IS*! The people who MAKE the music use these things! The thing about the V6's is that...it shows everything, changes VERY little, and, if you make music that SOUNDS good in those, it will sound good in anything! You can trust em!

Ah, and the myth that you need overpowering bass to beat-match? It's not true. You need ISOLATION from outside sounds (which the V6's have), and the ability to go loud on iffy electronics (which the V6's have), and you need sound that lets you HEAR bass, which the V6's have (THROUGH CLARITY, and the fact that they have DEEP, IMPACTING bass), and VERY important to the MATCHING part of beat matching, having the bass start and stop and SOUND like the recording you are making actually does!

*pause* Brandon, what's this about "NO" distortions whatsoever? They are one of the most distorting and sound-changing headphones known to man! and *NO* headphone leaves sound COMPLETELY alone (the closest you can get to something that doesn't change sound under $160 is the V6), but the V700's distort it more than MOST. And CRISP highs? What are YOU smoking, Brandon? The V700's doesn't HAVE any highs, let ALONE CRISP highs! Gyah...

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"crisp" highs? LOL! What highs? the V700 has no treble that is worth mentioning. I doubt you've ever heard "crisp" highs in your life, but hey, at least you've mastered an audiophile buzz word.

The V700 has sloppy bass that only extends to probably about 80Hz before dropping off. there's a huge hump in the midbass that makes you think you're getting great bass. The midrange, like gluegun mentioned, is recessed and undefined. The treble is muffled and undetailed. face it, you've wasted $150 on a Sony POS. If you really love elctronica, and you want to hear it like never before, go buy a pair of Sony CD3000's. I've listened to every single high-end headphone that exists, uncluding a pair that go for $15,000. Think I'm joking? I'm not. The CD3000's are the best headphones for electronica that I've ever listened to. You can buy a pair for $400 at www.etronics.com (although I doubt I'll get many takers).

heh, it's funny to watch how Sony dupes so many people into buying that piece of shit. Oh well, I suppose that ignorance is indeed bliss.

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Also, one high-end headphone that Neruda hasn't listened to Electronica with, and that is ALSO really great for Electronica is the Grado SR-325.

However, neither the Grado or the CD3000 are good for club-DJ-mixing purposes; they don't have all of the features you all need. But they sure as all hell SOUND great with electronica.

Gluegun, I would like to add one more thing about Grado headphones in general:

Every Grado headphone from the SR-60 on up have earpieces that swivel a full 360 degrees. But that feature is irrelevant for DJ's, because the Grados are VERY open-air to begin with - thus, they would be poor choices for creating trance. And even if they provide extreme isolation, the cord on the right earpiece gets in the way.

Thus, a true DJ headphone should have great isolation, have a single-sided cord that is connected at only one earpiece, and have at least the other earpiece (the one without a cord attached to) swivel 180 degrees - and (most importantly) have an extremely accurate, flat response. Unfortunately, most of the DJ headphones currently on the market fail (or at least fall short of the ideal) on the last count.

Actually gluegun, I did listen to the 325 and I thought the CD3000 was considerably better for electronica.

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Last edited by Neruda on Sep-14-2001 at 02:30

*Growls*

So the 325's and the CD3000 are vying, neck and neck, some going with one, some going with the other, for title of "best headphone for listening to Electronica"! OKAY?! Because it's still disputed (IE, Apheared, the local Head-Fi bass/volume-head likes the 325's better), I said that they were BOTH good! Why don't you put up a poll at Head-Fi?

:P

EEK! I quote myself:

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Originally posted by ShadySlim ...Though the MDR-V700DJ's only sound decent on those types of music -- but play jazz or classical on them and you'll find that their bass is sloppy and uncontrolled! And the midrange is recessed and uneven, to boot. I listened briefly to them when the store was playing Mozart through them! An accurate pair of headphones should sound good with most types of music, including classical and jazz!

On the other hand, some of the headphones that sound best on classical or jazz actually sound mediocre to horrible on trance or techno - even though they have good bass accuracy, they just can't handle it loudly at all.

I'm not really sure if apheared has heard the CD3000's or not; I don't think he has. Might be a good thing to ask him. I know for a fact that he never compared the two, so we don't know if he thinks the 325's are better (unless he has heard the CD3000's, in which case we would know).

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On the OTHER OTHER hand (would that be the first one?) A *truly* accurate Can would be able to handle whatever is dealt to it...including mad techno and trance beats, and not break a sweat getting them as loud as they need to be...

Which is why I push the V6 so much, ya know?

And Neruda, really, I'm not insulting YOU, OR your opinion, I'm just saying that the data *I'VE* heard points to the difference in "godliness for Electronica" between the two is probably going to be a matter of taste and the type of electronica you're listening to. And really, do you NEED that sig?

Uh, REGARDLESS, have any *NORMAL* tranceaddict members been following this?

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Originally posted by Brandon I have seen many a headphone in my time and I have to recommend ...*even tho some of you dislike them* the Sony MDR-V700DJ... There is NO distortion whatsoever...

Brandon, you and many of the other trancEaddicts know only one definition of distortion! That definition is one that everyone - even "tin-ear" people (those who don't know what sounds good) knows: those destructive buzzing, scratching, popping and clicking noises that get worse with volume. But there *is* another definition of distortion (that only die-hard audiophiles know): Assuming that the headphone amp doesn't distort the signal going into the headphones themselves, what comes out of the headphones is audibly different than what came into them - even though it's the same piece of music! I listened to some music known to be a bit lean on the bass through Sony's so-called DJ headphones, but whatever bass came out of them was unnaturally sloppy and out of control (and I didn't boost the bass at all, and used an expensive source as a headphone amp). As a result, by that second definition of distortion, the V700DJ's distort the music at least as much as most headphones or speakers do!

Gluegun: That second definition of distortion that you mentioned, BTW, is the same thing as colo(u)ration.

Last edited by ShadySlim on Sep-15-2001 at 14:31