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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 It's not the conflict with beliefs that I'm getting at. It's the irony of him spending money (though much of it is merely diverted in NASA programs) on a science program while at the same time dropped dung on other science programs to make way for his faith-based initiatives. That is the crux of my skepticism. I do believe, however, that Bush's religious speak is nothing but lip service to appeal to religious voters, but that's just my personal opinion.

Out of curiosity, what science programs (besides stem celled research) has he tanked?

Personally, I don't care what his motivations are for his sudden interest in kick-starting NASA into bigger, better projects. Diversion or not, it's the kind of policy decision I've wanted to see happen for quite some time. Just about the only thing I do not like about the new NASA initiatives is that the Hubble telescope will need to be retired in 2008 (It's gyroscopes/solar panels are failing and NASA cannot dedicate a service mission with a space shuttle as they are slated for retirement). In the long run though, I think it's still a good decision since it would be far too costly to recertify the shuttles for hubble alone. Additionally the next generation space telescope is due to be launched in 2011 or so, so I think 3 years without a hubble is doable ... still got Chandra and the other great observatories at least.

I really want to act surprised, but I guess I'm not:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jan15.html

Here comes the cronyism conspiracists....

I'll get to your comments this afternoon, Occ.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I really want to act surprised, but I guess I'm not: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2004Jan15.html Here comes the cronyism conspiracists.... I'll get to your comments this afternoon, Occ.

Lol halliburton wouldn't see ANY results until the year 2020 at the least. Not only would a permenant base have to be established on Mars or the moon, but peremenant work habitats would have to be constructed after the science habitats.

One wonders why kennedy's grand mission to the moon lacked cronyism whereas this does. After all Kennedy DID double the budget for Boeing/lockheed/whoever through their NASA proxy

By this sense of logic we should abandon all space exploration until it becomes feasible for mom and pop aerodefense stores can build lunar orbiters so that it the big corporations cannot benefit.

Really, I can't wait until that dumbass bush gets voted out of office so I can then perpetuate the same taglines for democrat cronyism. I mean really, EVERY government spending program is cronyism. If you want to eliminate all of it, you would have my libertarian utopia of NO TAXES and NO GOVERNMENT SPENDING. Now is that what you really want?

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Originally posted by occrider Lol halliburton wouldn't see ANY results until the year 2020 at the least. Not only would a permenant base have to be established on Mars or the moon, but peremenant work habitats would have to be constructed after the science habitats. One wonders why kennedy's grand mission to the moon lacked cronyism whereas this does. After all Kennedy DID double the budget for Boeing/lockheed/whoever through their NASA proxy By this sense of logic we should abandon all space exploration until it becomes feasible for mom and pop aerodefense stores can build lunar orbiters so that it the big corporations cannot benefit. Really, I can't wait until that dumbass bush gets voted out of office so I can then perpetuate the same taglines for democrat cronyism. I mean really, EVERY government spending program is cronyism. If you want to eliminate all of it, you would have my libertarian utopia of NO TAXES and NO GOVERNMENT SPENDING. Now is that what you really want?

Now Occ, don't blame me for believing it's possible cronyism (hence my sarcasm in previous post), blame your #1 candidate supporter:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php

Can I put a little more salt in your wound? Hehe, I'm lovin' it.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Now Occ, don't blame me for believing it's possible cronyism (hence my sarcasm in previous post), blame your #1 candidate supporter: http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php Can I put a little more salt in your wound? Hehe, I'm lovin' it.

I hate you

Yes well if Moore thinks it ... maybe you're right. Of course, if we are to apply this logic fairly and equally to everything, one can view the whole NASA agency as a ploy since the 50's to get Halliburton to Mars. Every advancement NASA made has and will eventually make money or benefit Halliburton so can we just rename NASA halliburton? Can we rename every single company and government spending program halliburton? Just so we don't get confused ...

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Damn you Halliburton!

Will you stop at nothing in your quest for galactic domination??!!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0218/gray.php http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?...&c=1&s=shorrock

Actually I was under the impression that Rummy was fighting with congress to get rid of the crusader . Did he change his mind?

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/16/rumsfeld.crusader/

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Originally posted by occrider I hate you Yes well if Moore thinks it ... maybe you're right. Of course, if we are to apply this logic fairly and equally to everything, one can view the whole NASA agency as a ploy since the 50's to get Halliburton to Mars. Every advancement NASA made has and will eventually make money or benefit Halliburton so can we just rename NASA halliburton? Can we rename every single company and government spending program halliburton? Just so we don't get confused ...

You're not taking me seriously, are you?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 You're not taking me seriously, are you?

Of course not ... you referenced michael moore

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Originally posted by occrider Actually I was under the impression that Rummy was fighting with congress to get rid of the crusader . Did he change his mind? http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/16/rumsfeld.crusader/

The Crusader contract was terminated (after the UDI initial public offering) and then it was replaced by:

http://www.kare11.com/news/news-art...p?NEWS_ID=56746

Rummy is a Navy man and is looking to modernize the Army with light armaments (and privatized soldiers) in order to ease in mobility and deployment, he's constantly fighting the Army's "old guard" which wants the opposite.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0350/mondo5.php

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Originally posted by Trancer-X The Crusader contract was terminated (after the UDI initial public offering) and then it was replaced by: http://www.kare11.com/news/news-art...p?NEWS_ID=56746 Rummy is a Navy man and is looking to modernize the Army with light armaments (and privatized soldiers) in order to ease in mobility and deployment, he's constantly fighting the Army's "old guard" which wants the opposite. http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0350/mondo5.php

Ah ok ... I knew about his fighting with the "old guard" I didn't know that UDI salvaged some of their lost bid. At any rate, I somewhat agree with Rummy. I don't know if the $2 billion contract to UDI was necessary, but I was certain that the $11 billion Crusader project was unnecessary. I was glad he cancelled the crusader project and is fighting with the cold war pentagon to upgrade it.