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| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
They are not, but they are contradicting verses 1:11 and 1:27. |
uhm,no they don't. You want to explain to me how they do? ( Or atleast how you think they will.)
| quote: | | Well, how come fossil record and archeological findings portray a largely different picture? Besides, how can you expect a book that's been transcribed several times and mixed up over the centuries to still contain 100% unspoiled historical happenings? You can't. Every time it gets rewritten, something is lost and something new is added. It's simply how those things work. |
You got pictures? No, Read in Revelation ( I'm pretty sure it's in revelation) Those who take away from the Bible, blessings will be taken from them..and well you get the rest.
| quote: | No, it is not in the bible because the biblical version contains only the shortened version of the creation, one where the part about Lilith was thrown out. I just mentioned this story as an example that the stories in bible are often not complete but are lacking some details. After looking up a bit, you're right that god could have defeated her but didn't. She fled the garden because she wanted equal rights with Adam, she didn't want to be his helper. God sent her 3 angels to get her back to the garden, but she refused. She mated with Samael and gave birth to a huge amount of demons. She agreed with god that she can stay in the outside world if he kills 100 of her demons each day, and if she's unable to attack circumcised children.
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There is no Lilith. You are totally messing everything up. Adam,and Eve. Adam had only one wife,that's Eve. She didn't give birth to demons. What are you smoking,pal?
| quote: | Aside from the Genesis 3:22 I mentioned earlier, I'll add a few more to the list:
Exodus 12:12
"And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment."
Exodus 23:32
"Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods."
Numbers 33:4
"Upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments."
The list more or less goes on, but the christian god mentiones other gods quite often.
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What the heck? There aren't any contradictions. You really must be having an off day.
| quote: | | Since you failed to read the verses I mentioned, I'll point out a contradiction for you. First it says god created plants before humans, and then later on it says god created humans before plants. I have plenty more of those if you are really interested. It would be easier to redirect you to www.skepticsannotatedbible.com, but since you don't want to read it (or don't have time), than I'll keep bringing here contradiction after contradiction. This was the first one. Care for more? |
No,I read them,and no it doesn't say that. I've been reading the verses you've been giving me. But, no there aren't any contradictions.
| quote: | | I'm sorry if it offended you. The point was I presented a few key pages if you don't have time to read it all. |
Yea, I know I don't have much time. SAT's coming up, I have school,I have work..and that's enough for me.
| quote: | No, I don't believe in the cult of Osiris or Horus either. But they make as much sense as christianity itself. Infact they even make more sense since they are not a religion that is conjured up of several opposing philosophies.
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Glad to hear you don't.No,they don't make sense. I don't see how you can't understand Christianity.
| quote: | | Yet the christian god often mentions other gods in the bible, and sometimes uses a plural form for himself (themselves?). Besides, there have been monotheistic periods in the egyptian history. Where all the faith was put into one god and the other god was declared as evil (hint satan, hint baal). |
again,there is only one God.
| quote: | | Osiris died and then rose again. After that happened, he ensured human passage into the afterlife. Sounds familiar? The dying on a cross part is basically an adaptation of the story for the more modern times under roman occupation. It is interesting to note, however, that at the Nicaea council some of the books thrown out of the bible suggest that the whole resurrection deal was a scheme staged in Lasarus's backyard and that Pontius Pilatus was a corrupt roman official who took part in that scheme and infact allowed it to happen. It is also interesting to note that the whole virgin birth story is false as well, because the greeks, from whom the bible was translated to other languages, used the same word for a virgin and for a young woman. In the original, Mary was just a young woman and not a virgin. |
No, The virgin birth isn't false. It really happened.
| quote: | | It depends. In the old testament the jewish god is pretty similar to the egyptian ones. In the new testament it became a bit different, more like some sort of a vague entity, but his son, Jesus, had a hell of a lot in common with Horus and Osiris. |
I don't see anything in common.
| quote: | | No she wasn't. She was decieved by a serpent. At a time serpents could walk and talk. |
No,Satan was the serpent. Then after the first sin, God had made it to where they didn't have legs..to where they'd have to slither(sp?) around on their bellies. Thus,snakes.
| quote: | | I thought the bible should be taken literally. Now I'm confused. Anyway, what you are saying are just vague speculations, because it isn't written in the bible. I guess it's because you're a woman. The bible clearly states women are men's helpers, not equal partners. |
That's not true. Both women,and men are equal. No gender is better than the other.
I've already had a few other people tell me that men in the Bible are superior to men and that the men did all the work,but that's not true. (One person also went as far as to say all women were evil,but I find it funny how he praises his girlfriend..heh.people..)
| quote: | | It's interesting how god created a man in his own image yet didn't allow him the ability to separate good from evil. What was so special about men in the first place? If it was speech and intelligence, it is clear that the serpents had those abilities as well. |
Freewill,We make our own choices. We know good from evil,do we not?
The serpent,Satan...He was an angel,if you didn't know. His name was Lucifer,he was the angel of music. Angels don't have freewill. Humans do. God wanted companionship,that's why he made man.
| quote: | | Umm, it is a full verse. The very next letter is already verse 3:23. I never said there were any contradictions in that verse. I posted that verse to show that for some reason god did not want a man to become as powerful as he is and instead doomed him to a miserable short life. My first guess is fear. |
No, that's not what happened.
| quote: | | Yes, they are related. Yet they can't have any fertile offspring. It is only a step from being seperate species. Isn't it odd how they are just a tiny step away from becoming fully separate species? Isn't it odd how there are some related species who can have offspring, and yet there are some related ones that can't? Isn't it odd how the fossile evidence shows that related species diverged from the same ancestor and were able to procreate in the past? |
Then show me the fossile evidence.
We haven't come from an ape,but hey if you wanna believe you came from something like that you go ahead.
| quote: | Religion:
Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. |
| quote: | | Are you saying that none of the above apllies to you? |
I've already had this discusion, you aren't getting my drift.
| quote: | | Why? Does it say so in the bible? No. Therefore it is possible. Even from your side of the argument, evolution is not impossible. |
I believe in Micro evolution,but not macro. I told you already. Micro evolution is correct,Just not macro.
| quote: | | I suppose you have an illness that does not enable you to go to a public school, right? Well, in that case kids should be allowed to be taught at home, but the standards by which they are taught should be firmly set. This way pretty much every parent can impose his views upon his child. |
Yes, I have an illness. I would miss way to much if I were to try and attempt to go to public school. I tried taking classes for a while, after being homeschooled. But, it never worked.
Homeschooling should be,and is allowed. It's one of our rights. I don't think anyone should try to trample on those.
| quote: | | Really, this is totally ignorant of you and it pretty much sums up your problems. If you don't want to accept something, it doesn't mean those things are not there. Schools should teach kids actual facts, not what the kids want to hear. Standardized public schooling is an institution whose purpose is to give young people equal chances in life and the knowledge necessary for future advancement. Now, don't take this as an attack on you personally, but when I see how flawed your views on established scientific theories and logic itself are, it is clear that some norms should be established even for kids who are attending "home schools". |
Schools do teach actual facts,but they shouldn't tell a child what to believe. That's not a schools place. My views aren't flawed,they just don't match up with yours..but that doesn't make them flawed.
| quote: | | Anyway, I must point out how you conviniently missed to respond on many of my points, especially the ones painted in red. |
Yes, But if you want an answer,you'll have to wait. Trying to think of a way to word it.
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