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dont u read..the governer stopped it..it is not gonna be happen anymore..all those that happened arent accepted by the state now..have a nice day.. |
Yes I've been reading. All he did was write a letter to Bill Lockyer, but ol Bill wasn't too happy about it.
Meanwhile, the fundies are going nuts now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/21/n.../21GAYS.html?th
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San Francisco Judge Rules Gay Marriages Can Continue
By DEAN E. MURPHY
Published: February 21, 2004
AN FRANCISCO, Feb. 20 — Opponents of gay marriage suffered another setback here on Friday when a judge refused to block the issuance of same-sex marriage licenses, saying the opponents had not shown that the weddings were causing immediate harm.
In New Mexico, though, Attorney General Patricia A. Madrid moved swiftly to shut down an effort in a county near Albuquerque to follow San Francisco's lead. Ms. Madrid said through a spokeswoman that same-sex marriage licenses issued Friday in Sandoval County violated state law.
"If marriage licenses were issued today to same-sex partners, they will be void," said the spokeswoman, Sam Thompson.
The Sandoval County clerk, Victoria Dunlap, said she only began issuing the licenses because a same-sex couple requested one last week. After conferring with the county attorney, Ms. Dunlap said, it was determined that she had no grounds to deny the couple a license. By midday Friday, she had processed 35 applications from same-sex couples with dozens of others waiting in line.
"What I need is someone in government to stand up and clarify the law," Ms. Dunlap said prior to the attorney general's ruling.
The judge in San Francisco, Ronald Evans Quidachay of San Francisco Superior Court, did not rule on the substance of a lawsuit brought against the city asserting that the licenses violate the state's family code. Those arguments are expected to be heard next month, when a separate lawsuit against the marriage policy is scheduled for a hearing.
The judge said the two lawsuits, brought by conservative and religious groups, would be consolidated to "avoid duplication of labor." It was the third time since Feb. 13 that a judge has refused to block the issuance of the licenses.
Opponents of same-sex marriages said they were confident of victory in the long run. "The radical action that is taking place here is not something most Americans agree with, " said Mathew D. Staver, who represents the Campaign for California Families, one group suing the city.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, concerned about the judge's inaction, wrote a letter late on Friday to the California attorney general, Bill Lockyer, saying that "San Francisco's actions are directly contrary to state law and present an imminent risk to civil order." He directed Mr. Lockyer to "take immediate steps to obtain a definitive judicial resolution to this controversy."
Some judicial experts said that the moves in San Francisco and New Mexico indicated the debate over the licenses was becoming more rooted in legal, not political, ground.
"The plain effort by the gay rights movement is to have the law take the initiative, to replace the political sentiment," said Jesse H. Choper, professor of constitutional law at the University of California, Berkeley.
Mr. Choper called the strategy a bid to sidestep political and public opinion, which remains largely opposed to same-sex marriages.
A poll conducted last weekend by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California showed that 58 percent of people in the San Francisco Bay area favored allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry, but that only 44 percent of all Californians shared that view. State law defines marriage as between a man and a woman, but city officials say equality provisions in the state's Constitution should take precedence.
"This ultimately has got to be resolved upstairs in the United States Supreme Court," Mr. Choper said.
Friday was the ninth day that the same-sex marriage licenses were issued in San Francisco following a directive by Mayor Gavin Newsom, bringing the total to 3,175 by 4 p.m.
Hundreds of couples waited after hours to receive an appointment for a license next week. But protests by religious groups heightened, with some opponents at one point blocking entry to the county clerk's office.
At 10 a.m., Mr. Newsom officiated at the highest-profile wedding yet, that of Cristina Arguedas, 50, and Carol Migden, 55, who have been partners for 19 years. Ms. Arguedas is a criminal lawyer who once represented O. J. Simpson and Ms. Migden is chairwoman of the state's Board of Equalization. She has also served as a San Francisco County supervisor and a state assemblywoman.
Ms. Migden said her decision to marry was partly made to support Mr. Newsom.
"I expect there to be resistance," Ms. Migden said. "Any hard-fought civil rights gains certainly take a lot of time in the trenches. We are not afraid of that. We are not shying away from that. Frankly it all feels like a victory today."
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Chicago mayor Richard Daily may begin giving out gay marriage licenses:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gay19.html
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Daley on gay marriage: 'no problem'
February 19, 2004
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
Mayor Daley said Wednesday he would have "no problem" with County Clerk David Orr issuing marriage licenses to gay couples -- and Orr said he's open to a San Francisco-style protest if a consensus can be built.
"They're your doctors, your lawyers, your journalists, your politicians," the mayor said. "They're someone's son or daughter. They're someone's mother or father. . . . I've seen people of the same sex adopt children, have families. [They're] great parents.
"Some people have a difference of opinion -- that only a man and a woman can get married. But in the long run, we have to understand what they're saying. They love each other just as much as anyone else.''
A devout Catholic, Daley scoffed at the suggestion that gay marriage would somehow undermine the institution of marriage between a man and a woman.
"Marriage has been undermined by divorce, so don't tell me about marriage. You're not going to lecture me about marriage. People should look at their own life and look in their own mirror. Marriage has been undermined for a number of years if you look at the facts and figures on it. Don't blame the gay and lesbian, transgender and transsexual community. Please don't blame them for it," he said.
Daley said he has no control over marriage licenses in Cook County. But if Orr wants to take that bold step, the mayor has no problem with it.
Orr said he was "game to looking at options" provided a consensus could be built.
"I'm fed up with people being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. We can't even pass a law that eliminates discrimination against gay couples. [But] whatever you do when it comes to challenging laws, you want it to be effective and not knee-jerk," Orr said.
The clerk noted the protest that has gay couples from around the nation lining up for hours outside San Francisco's City Hall was meticulously planned.
It wasn't just "the clerk waking up one day and deciding to marry someone," Orr said. It had the support of the entire "city apparatus" in San Francisco -- from the mayor, City Council and advocacy groups on down. That's the model that would have to be followed here, Orr said.
"Whether or not, here in Cook County, we should be considering a San Francisco or other kind of protest, that is what some of us are discussing. I'm quite interested in exploring that with key players in the city and county. I'm already discussing that with a number of advocacy and key groups. I would like to discuss it with the mayor," Orr said.
State law says same-sex marriage is contrary to public policy. It recognizes only a marriage between a man and a woman.
Daley and Orr are going farther than gay activists are willing to go on the issue of gay marriage.
Ald. Tom Tunney (44th), Chicago's first openly gay alderman, said his top legislative priority is to pass Senate Bill 101 prohibiting statewide discrimination against gays and lesbians in housing and employment.
"We're putting the cart before the horse. We have to get to that step first and then we move incrementally," Tunney said.
Rick Garcia, political director of Equality Illinois, applauded Daley for taking the lead on the explosive issue of gay marriage. "No one can accuse Mayor Daley of being some left-wing pinko. ... It means a lot. It sets a tone."
Last fall, the county board authorized Orr to issue certificates of domestic partnership that carry no legal rights. Garcia believes it's time for Orr to take it a step further and issue marriage license to gay couples. But he's not about to "initiate anything at this point" with a formal protest.
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End of the Run?
..anyways i think now is the only time for gays to make thier move cause their story is hot if not now it will die eventually..as long as bush is the president it wont happen..for it to happen it will need a non religious leader..other than that..dont c it happening..
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