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Originally posted by Flotser lol i gotta use this one too

DigiNut stole my line the asshole!

Grrrrr...



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Originally posted by George Smiley Get it through your thick head al-Qaida do not want to take over the world like a bloody James Bond baddy! Give al-Qaida what they want means us out of Saudi Arabia...whats wrong with that?

We are out of Saudi Arabia. Giving into what they want would be a religious fundementalist middle east. Of course by then "what they want" will probably evolve into something else.

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Originally posted by occrider We are out of Saudi Arabia. Giving into what they want would be a religious fundementalist middle east. Of course by then "what they want" will probably evolve into something else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Saudi Arabia have the largest reserves of oil in the world...?

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Originally posted by occrider We are out of Saudi Arabia. Giving into what they want would be a religious fundementalist middle east. Of course by then "what they want" will probably evolve into something else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Saudi Arabia have the largest reserves of oil in the world...?

Still, I fail to see how anyone with half a brain cell could possibly think al-Qaida want to take over the world? Maybe a large slice of it in the Muslim part, but we dont live there do we?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Saudi Arabia have the largest reserves of oil in the world...? Still, I fail to see how anyone with half a brain cell could possibly think al-Qaida want to take over the world? Maybe a large slice of it in the Muslim part, but we dont live there do we?

So what's your argument? That Saudi Arabia should not sell oil to the west? That we should "get out" of Saudi Arabia by having absolutely nothing to do with the state? Furthermore, it's well established that Al-Qaeda's goals are not to take over the world ... that's pure silliness. But what they want is to establish their extremist ideaology over the masses of the middle east. Something the masses do NOT genearlly want (unless you are making the claim that the middle east in general wants an extremist fundamentalist state). Shall we help them overthrow the middle east governments then to give them what they want? Come now, that mentality is simply going to espouse more terrorism from every idealogical based group across the board as a means to acheive change.

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I said earlier the comments were tongue in cheek.

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Shall we help them overthrow the middle east governments then to give them what they want?

I think that would be the stupidest idea ever, unfortunately that is the path the US goverment and its allies have chosen to take, and is also the path favoured by most of the less informed supporters of America's war on terror...

(And if you cant work out what that means I'll be glad to give you an explanation )

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Originally posted by George Smiley I said earlier the comments were tongue in cheek. I think that would be the stupidest idea ever, unfortunately that is the path the US goverment and its allies have chosen to take, and is also the path favoured by most of the less informed supporters of America's war on terror... (And if you cant work out what that means I'll be glad to give you an explanation )

i get it, but whats your alternative?

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Originally posted by George Smiley I think that would be the stupidest idea ever, unfortunately that is the path the US goverment and its allies have chosen to take, and is also the path favoured by most of the less informed supporters of America's war on terror... (And if you cant work out what that means I'll be glad to give you an explanation )

Iraq, possibly, Afghanistan however I would disagree ...

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Heh, I kinda agree with melech mike/shlomo hamalek/ilan yosef here.

The first and last nicks... not the middle!

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Originally posted by Yoepus i get it, but whats your alternative?

OK, lets get this straight, I dont think appeasment should be the way to deal with evey terrorist situation, but I do think it should be in the back of our minds when dealing with them.

From what I have seen throughout history, despite the tactics used, 9 times out of 10, the "terrorists" have had a legitimate concern that has been behind the decision to take to arms.

You have to look at each separate situation and ask yourselves, "why are they doing this". But you have to do this truthfully and not become blinded by revenge or nationalism or pride. That is the hard part and I cannot recall a situation, bar Northern Ireland (which I think should be the bench mark for dealing with any kind of terrorism) where this has happened.

Everytime I see an MP on the telly talking about al-Qaida I want to scream. Either they are fucking stupid, or they are trying to manipulate public oppinion to meet there own agenda. Everytime they are asked why al-Qaida are doing this they give the same rehersed answer, "You have to understand, that al-Qaida hate and despise the West, our values and our democratic beliefs, this is why they are attacking us" NO!!! Ok, so they hate what we stand for, but why would they want to kill us for it?

You have to go a lot further and not rely on simplicity like what I have talked about above. It was not hard to find out what al-Qaida actually stood for or wanted, and if they had that (if any terrorist had what they were attacking for in the first place) they wouldn't attack - makes sense no?

It is a hell of a lot more easier in Israel - the Palestinians want their own state. Well why dont you just do that? Not in little bits here and there and just go back to the begining. Do it ALL, NOW! Why dont you pull out of the occupied terrirtories and totally close your borders (and dont take the piss with the borders!!)? If you did that and stopped all military action inside Palestine, then the only support any militants would have would be from the fundamentalists (and I believe that they are only small and would dwindle away after a few decades) as the normal Palestinians would have what they wanted and could not justify attacking Israel any more (Might not turn out as nice as that but if it didn't then nobody could criticise Israel like they do now could they? )

However, when we take the simplistic approach to terrorism, like what we normally do, and when we get blinded by emotion, thats when things can only get worse...

When we let our emotions take over, we lash out. When we lash out, we make the reasons terrorists attack us much worse, and inevitabally, more people will have cause for concern and will begin to support the reasons terrorists attack, thereby making the threat to us a hell of a lot worse. We have seen this in Iraq. The Presidency became blinded by emotion after 11/9 (which most Americans by the look of it did). They wanted to lash out and they did. They got it right first time (Afghanistan) as bin Laden's operation needed to have the plug pulled on it (or at least hampered as al-Qaida are all over the world). But America was not content. It wanted more revenge. It chose Iraq...but why? Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with al-Qaida, so attacking Iraq as part of the war on terror did not make sense rationally. But America has been acting unrationally (emotionally) since 11/9 and Iraq laughed when that happened, and for that, they paid.

But that has made things so much worse...look at Madrid. Attacking Iraq in no way whatsoever helped us against terrorism, and as the Spanish found out to their cost, it had exactly the opposite effect.

The same happens in Israel. Revenge attacks and airstrikes are common after a suicide bombing. But thats all they are, revenge. They obviously dont work or we would have seen an end to Palestinian violence a long time ago. What actually happens is that ordinary Palestinians, terrorised by the Israelis (cos who says terrorism cannot be commited by a soveriegn government?) support attacks against the aggressors (revenge again?)

I dont have any answers of how to eliminate terrorism completely Yoepus, but what I do know for a fact is that the bigger the terrorist organisation, the more dangerous it is. The more support a terrorist organistation gets the bigger it becomes...and people support terrorist organisations when they become threatened by the terrorist's enemy, or when the terrorist's enemy starts acting like the bad guy, and the "terrorist" organisation becomes the saviour...

Now our behaviour is something we can control