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Originally posted by DJ Rat 187 you went into WWI because of Lusitania not because you thought that it was the right thing to do you fuck head,

Also just to correct you on this point, the sinking of the Lusitania occurred in 1915. The US didn't enter the war until 1917. The Germans even apologized to the Americans after the incident and made promises to cease all attacks against passenger vessels. The primary motivations for the US entry into the war was due to German unrestricted submarine warfare on all allied shipping in the Atlantic. Plus the Zimmerman telegram helped play a supporting role along with Wilson's desire to "make the world safe for democracy" as he put it.

At any which rate, WW1 wasn't even a "righteous" war that should have necessitated American involvement. If the Europeans hadn't screwed themselves with their alliance system and let nationalism run rampant paired with their idealistic notions of warfare, a world war wouldn't have happened. However, all parties involved built up the case for war and regardless of the short term crisis that provided the Austro-Hungarian Empire with its casus belli to start the war, it was an eventual inevitability anyway that could have just as easily been initiated by the triple entente.

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Originally posted by Dervish That sounds happy to see them get shot up. Pehaps I've been harsh or misunderstood you or something. Also posting that link about the captive has nothing to do with the fact that american pilots broke laws. About the sad deaths of Americans in Iraq one death is too much yes.... but killing people (more deaths) for no reason apart from the fact that your feeling twichy is not the way to act professionally. Also the actual number of dead in comparision to the number of troops isn't that high really. i.e. if you were in it from the start (which wouldn't happen as you would have been relived by now) there is a less than 1% chance you'd die. That is basicly less than 0.5% given that you'd have been rotated. Bearing in mind that just in trainning quite a few people die. Again 1 is too many but the Iraqi people have it much harder. That is less than 1000 american troops dead, atleast 10,000 iraqi civillians dead. EDIT:See the thing is Americans tend to think of bloodless wars that is bloodless for them. This one isn't actually wha I'd call a fully fledged war. E.g. during the Falklands War the British had 1000 (i.e. more than in Iraq) casualties. And that was in 1982 not all the long ago. Have you even heard of that? No..... why? Because no Americans were involved. Now even worse compaired to the rest of the world think Kosavo for a recent example 1000 people being killed is a non event saddly. But becuase of the preoccupation with perserving American GI's lifes they will kill as many as it takes.

I only saw the part where the iraqis were putting away the RPG. I didn't see them trying to fix the tractor if that's what they were doing, they shouldn't been shot up. Yes, if this was shooting unarmed civilians then the pilots should be punished for this. I have no argument about that, but again war has so many evils.
I truly believe that us sitting here, typing away, we cannot comprehend what is really going on there. We may hear stories from friends and such but your own experience will only tell the truth.

I think by now American's if they ever thought this was a bloodless war, they are all realizing that it is one. The mood here is starting to be somber, as each day the news report of US soldiers being killed almost on a daily basis.

I can't help to blame Bush for this, why? I guess because he's the leader of our nation.

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Originally posted by Spartan Do you think the Russians would have been able to push Germany back if the US didn't make it a two front war by invading France? Just because you're angry w/ the current America gives you no right to deny history. I don't understand why you're getting all upiddy about this anyways. I have no problem agreeing with you that the war couldn't have been won w/o Russia. And by the way I already apologized for my out of place Serbian comment.

good deal then

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Originally posted by DjSway So getting shot at, suicide bombed is a walk in the fucking park?

compared to real war, yes it is

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Originally posted by DJ Rat 187 compared to real war, yes it is

Tell you what at least in "real combat" situation you have an idea who's your enemy, driving around in Iraq not knowing if there's a road side bomb for you is just as scary.

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Originally posted by DjSway Tell you what at least in "real combat" situation you have an idea who's your enemy, driving around in Iraq not knowing if there's a road side bomb for you is just as scary.

riiiiiiiiight, A shower of bullets piercing people's heads around you and a guy next to you collecting his own guts after taking a chunk of shrap metal to the abdomen is no scarier than walking city streets and harassing citizens, with no more than 2 casualties a week

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naw man its not a walk in the park, the alliance in iraq, mainly united states is experiencing another vietnam...but once again the question comes to mind, why are they there....

...i know there are a couple of good reasons why (bringing down saddam, nuclear weapons...) but you have to say it is not americas war...if the majority of iraqis wanted saddam off the throne, he wouldve been thrown off....and if it really was a majority, you wouldnt have so much resistance that the allies are experiencing....you could rightfully say that the us has brought the war to iraqi people...to some freedom but to most a war...

i just feel sorry for the soldiers that have died pointlessly, being sent there because of the fascist rule of the american government, who didnt get involved in iraq because they love iraqi people and wanted to bring them "peace" (its ironic that they brought them war) but for their own benefit

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Originally posted by Rudy Yeah and you lost to Vietnam Could somebody please tell me that not all Americans think like this guy!! Otherwise I am gonna get very fightened! Cause this is probably the most retarded thing I have ever read, it perfectly characterises Bush' thoughts!

eh go fuck off this whole board is full of raging anti americans its evident in all the damn political and war posts

fucking amazes me.

jsut contradict urselves by generalziing about the americans, yeah...

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First of all

I have the unedited ver.

There was nobody laughng, every professional.

Second

They werent farmes, they were rebels/soldiers that were dealing with rpg guns


DIE YOU SCUMBAGS

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Originally posted by st0ka. naw man its not a walk in the park, the alliance in iraq, mainly united states is experiencing another vietnam...but once again the question comes to mind, why are they there.... ...i know there are a couple of good reasons why (bringing down saddam, nuclear weapons...) but you have to say it is not americas war...if the majority of iraqis wanted saddam off the throne, he wouldve been thrown off....and if it really was a majority, you wouldnt have so much resistance that the allies are experiencing....you could rightfully say that the us has brought the war to iraqi people...to some freedom but to most a war... i just feel sorry for the soldiers that have died pointlessly, being sent there because of the fascist rule of the american government, who didnt get involved in iraq because they love iraqi people and wanted to bring them "peace" (its ironic that they brought them war) but for their own benefit

Sad but true, we all have to remember that the soldiers there (American and from every nations) are all risking their lives for some politicians who are playing conquer the world. These are men who have families and friends, just like us, actually it could off been any of us there, trying to survive. Imagine that, instead of you posting messages on this board, you would be there, patrolling the streets of Baghdad, not knowing if the next Iraqi you see might put a bullet in your head.
This may not be intense as being in the heat of battle, but it is certainly a slow torture of the mind.

This has to stop somehow, we came in this foreign country for the wrong reasons or did we have any in the first place?

Vote Bush