I dont think you are helping by continuing to refer to pllitical Islam as fascism...instead just call it fundamentalist Islam, then you can compare it to other religions (eg. the Christian Right in America and the kind of society they would like to live under; the Jewish settlers from your own country and the type of society they would like to see in Israel such as various parts of Jerusalem where non-Jews may get spat on)

Anyway...

quote:

Countries, not corporations, have absolute power

Rubbish, do you actually have any idea how political parties are funded? No political party in the West could ever hope to get elected without the support of their corporate masters - especially in America. And if we move onto the third world then I think you will find that the terrorists take it out on their own countries far far more than Western ones

quote:

Now where going somewhere. If indeed political Islam, or Islamo-facisim offers a different political alternative the 'current' way. What is so appealing about this type of ideology that is so exclusive to Islam?

Here you go again portraying these people as Nazis...doesn't help

What is so appealing about political Islams that makes it unique to Islam...need I really go on?

quote:

You made a good argument for how to make this idelogoy unattractive. But I still find it odd especially since you compare Islamo-facisim to Marxism and don't make the next leap. How was Marxism beaten?

Dont confuse Marxism with the type of 'Communism' that was practiced by the USSR it is nothing like Marxism (in fact that was just fascism) Marxism is an idea and has not been defeated because I learned about that idea at university, so it blatently isn't "beaten" Its the same with the al-Qaida ideology, its an idea...

How did we beat the USSR (if that was the question you actually meant to ask)? Well I dont think we did. I think the USSR beat itself by not being able to compete economically. We never had a war with the USSR did we? So it was not with the sword the USSR was beaten if that is what you were alluding to. In fact, the most pro-American Europeans are in Central and Eastern Europe, you know why? Because our liberal democratc 'idea' was more attractive than the USSR's 'Communist' 'idea'. And even better, the people of the third world want to live in a system like us where they are free and rich, but they dont so they get mad and they look for the reasons why and I am sorry, but one of the reasons (amongst others such as their own governments) is globalisation...

quote:

I don't think lack of opprotunity motivates them. If they were after opprotunity, I believe we would see either more of them move to the West and/or more of them taking the million dollar bounties on the heads of their commrades.

Your starting to babble on a bit now! Dont you have an immigration policy in Israel?! I know we do and something tells me its not as strict or as picky as yours!

quote:

Poverty and precieved injustices will always exist

Then there is no point whatsoever dicussing how to beat terrorism is there? Cos you cant...

quote:

I believe whether radical Islamist are born or made - they need to die. And the only way to do that is military force, and sometimes that will be very unpopular. I do agree that there also must be a concurrent effort to stop Islamo-facist from expanding their ranks by new recruits. I'm just still not convienced that killing Islamo-facists is what brings in recruits.

Yes we cannot get rid of the current Islamic militants without military force I have already said thats what I think. (I must point out that this refers specifically to those of the al-Qaida way of thinking and not localised militants such as in Chechnya or Palestine who may be stopped by giving independence?) But its not the actual killing of those terrorists that brings in new recruits its the way we go about it - very indiscriminantely. When we persue that course of action it is all the more easier to convince ordinary Muslims that bin aden is right, that the West want to kill Muslims and restart the crusades.

Just out of interest, why do you think people join al-Qaida?

I'll get to the rest of your post later, but wanted to clarify this point:

quote:

Originally posted by George Smiley Rubbish, do you actually have any idea how political parties are funded? No political party in the West could ever hope to get elected without the support of their corporate masters - especially in America.

I don't know how Europe works but according to Wired Magazine 12.11 (they don't have it in the online version or I would post the link to article) on p. 82 there is an article called "Vote for Change" with the subtitle "Individual Donors - not corporations are bankrolling 2004's presidential campaigns", with some very interesting facts:

In the 2004 election Corporations and groups contributed 2% of the total political finacing to Bush's campaign and 10% of the total finacing of Kerry's.

In the 2002 election Corporations and Groups contributed 19% to Bush, 30% to Gore. 1996: 33% to Dole, 31% to Clinton. 1992: 33% to Clinton, 29% to Bush.

As you can see contrary to popular perceptions corporations do not hold that much influence over political finacing. Historically it hovered around a 1/3 of all contributions, but today this is changing and is reaching around 10%.

It will be ridiclious to hear the claims that no doubnt will arise that the 2% of Corporations and Groups that financed Bush in this current election were the cause for some of his foreign policy decissions....

___________________
SAVE ZIONIST MUSTARD: BUY ZIONIST KETCHUP!


Click here to support the free mustard alliance.

Its not just the ones that provide them with support but am I correct in thinking that most politicians have certain personal corporate links? And the "individual donor" may be a little missleading - many of these will be the heads of corporations (expecting something in return)

people can't make a difference between religion and peoples errors

historically the catholics and protestants have killed much more

100 year old religion wars, they were not a fabrication of the muslim empire.


Wake up and get a clue you white trash.


NO ONE IS INNOCENT!


btw here's the dictionary's definition :
crusade

\Cru*sade"\ (kr?-s?d"), n. [F. croisade, fr. Pr. crozada, or Sp cruzada, or It. crociata, from a verb signifying to take the cross, mark one's self with a cross, fr. L. crux cross; or possibly taken into English directly fr. Pr. Cf. Croisade, Crosado, and see Cross.] 1. Any one of the military expeditions undertaken by Christian powers, in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries, for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Mohammedans.

2. Any enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm; as, a crusade against intemperance.

3. A Portuguese coin. See Crusado.

quote:

Originally posted by jdat \Cru*sade"\ (kr?-s?d"), n. [F. croisade, fr. Pr. crozada, or Sp cruzada, or It. crociata, from a verb signifying to take the cross, mark one's self with a cross, fr. L. crux cross; or possibly taken into English directly fr. Pr. Cf. Croisade, Crosado, and see Cross.] 3. A Portuguese coin. See Crusado.

Oi, that was the Brazilian currency when I was born There was cruzado, and then cruzeiro... and then real

Sure he knows no one is innocent. I find it sad that, whenever I post the facts, he suddenly withdraws. It's even funnier because, if he's Italian blooded, it wouldn't be a surprise to find someone arab-blooded in his family tree, because of the geographic proximity.

___________________
Indiana Clones Upcoming Sets
[ I May Upload Something Someday ]

There are extremists in all religions. There are Christian zealots with their conservative values. THe catch is the extremes Musliums go to. There are bombings of buildings and buses. There are suicide bombers in the Middle East and even in Russia.

The acts that they currently perform are heinous. Christianity has distanced itself from government and it is isolated to itself. Islam uses the killing of innocents in our modern age. How does killing over 200 students in Russia further the cause of God? Why not discuss these issues or send missionaries to get converts?

I am not saying that all Musliums are extremists, but what they do reflects on the rest of Islam.

quote:

Originally posted by hadi ****** fuck you man. im muslim and those are not my goals. how can you say tthings like that, you fuckin retard.

Your immediate goal isn't to conquer Europe? So is it to conquer California? Riverside? Your neighborhood block? C'mon man, where's your ambition???

___________________
Retro ...

quote:

Originally posted by ShadoWolf There's no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Their immediate goal is to conquer Europe, and then to destroy the West.

That sucks. I thought the Palestinian girl in my class let me borrow a pen just to be nice, didn't know it's all a ploy to destroy me for being a Catholic from the West.

___________________
Download My Spring '08 Mix Here

Thurs May 15: Influence @ Tini Martini w/ Kris B. vs. Nosmo, Rikler & Mike Palmeri
Thurs June 5: Under the Influence @ Tini Martini w/Mathias Matthew, Jack Kim & more TBA

hmm, wonder why the christian nations of west are so prosperous, and those of the muslim nations are so poor?

___________________

quote:

Originally posted by Reverend_Trance There are extremists in all religions. There are Christian zealots with their conservative values. THe catch is the extremes Musliums go to. There are bombings of buildings and buses. There are suicide bombers in the Middle East and even in Russia. The acts that they currently perform are heinous. Christianity has distanced itself from government and it is isolated to itself. Islam uses the killing of innocents in our modern age. How does killing over 200 students in Russia further the cause of God? Why not discuss these issues or send missionaries to get converts? I am not saying that all Musliums are extremists, but what they do reflects on the rest of Islam.

According to the bible, jesus came to save the world, not condemn it. according to the koran, mohammed's mission was to condemn the world, and subdue it.

there will always be those who use the faith as an excuse for their own evil actions, but islam's doctrine seems to provide a basis for an excuse for terrorist actions against "non-believers".

a observation ive made is that islam is not only a religion, but its an entire culture. spanning religion, government, personal life, family life, etc. its laws are based in 7th century arabia. they should no longer apply as they are hugely obsolete, but islam holds these laws and customs of 7th century arabia in place. i believe this is the reason the middle east is so far behind the west, they are still living in the 7th century law.

___________________

quote:

Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: hmm, wonder why the christian nations of west are so prosperous, and those of the muslim nations are so poor?

you are so wrong.

A lot of the Islamist stations are royaltis ( err typo ? ) and most of the funds go to the top but there are some countries that are some of the most rich in the world.

It's not just about religion it's about an obsolete political system which you cannot link with Islam and such..... Europe and such was there not too long ago!