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Originally posted by TigerClaw I think people should stop refering to it as Mcprog, Its very insulting to those producers, Who work there asses off day and night providing some great tunes, Calling this McProg, Is like someone calling certain types of trance, Cheese, Personally, I think its unfair and unruly to stereotype this music, For all I care, Its still progressive, Whether its has a trance or house vibe thrown into it.

American progressive. American progressive!

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 When will this annoying, elitist and trite attitide stop? For example I can't listen to Goa/Hardstyle/Hardcore garbage, but you don't see me whining about it in every thread. You don't even see me put my intolerance into my sigs or avatars. If you don't like it, don't fucking listen to it! There are plenty of people who like it and your girlish bitching and moaning will only annoy the fuck out of the others and show how close-minded you are.

There are entirely different means of access to Goa, Hardstyle, Hardcore, etc. That's not the case with American Progressive and Dutch Trance, which are occupying and replacing the same space that (imo) better trance used to occupy. There are few readily available alternatives to turn to, where there once were. Naturally we will express frustration with this in the places we are used to discussing it, such as Trance Addict.

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Originally posted by Cobalt American progressive. American progressive!

How about just calling it progressive, Plain and simple.

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Originally posted by Ory I'm just sick of seeing "OMG CH00N!!!" being said about every single mediocre track played on said radio shows, and then whine about DJ Sammy being cheesy. To anyone who does it; fuck off. Your taste in music sucks and so do you.

You seem to have the exact same mentality as them, if not worse.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw How about just calling it progressive, Plain and simple.

See my custom status. I just obsess over subgenres. Their emergence and development fascinates me.

But also, people need labels to concisely communicate something they are talking about. For quite some time people merely said "melodic progressive like Gabriel & Dresden". It becomes tiresome over the long term to say that.

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Originally posted by Cobalt See my custom status. I just obsess over subgenres. Their emergence and development fascinates me. But also, people need labels to concisely communicate something they are talking about. For quite some time people merely said "melodic progressive like Gabriel & Dresden". It becomes tiresome over the long term to say that.

everytime I record the shows and then write the ID3 tags on the mp3 files, Theres never a Progressive Trance or a Progressive House lable in them, So for Markus Schulz, I always put it as Trance.

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Originally posted by Cobalt But also, people need labels to concisely communicate something they are talking about. For quite some time people merely said "melodic progressive like Gabriel & Dresden". It becomes tiresome over the long term to say that.

I agree...American Progressive is a well suited label instead of the insulting and childish "mcprog" label.

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Originally posted by memusa I agree...American Progressive is a well suited label instead of the insulting and childish "mcprog" label.

The same can be said for UK Progressive, Or Dutch Progressive?

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Originally posted by TigerClaw everytime I record the shows and then write the ID3 tags on the mp3 files, Theres never a Progressive Trance or a Progressive House lable in them, So for Markus Schulz, I always put it as Trance.

Which technically speaking, is correct. But it's not very useful for genre wonks. A bit like telling an entymologist "well, they're all butterfiles, why do you bother labeling them?" It's for purposes of communication.

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Originally posted by Cobalt There are entirely different means of access to Goa, Hardstyle, Hardcore, etc. That's not the case with American Progressive and Dutch Trance, which are occupying and replacing the same space that (imo) better trance used to occupy. There are few readily available alternatives to turn to, where there once were. Naturally we will express frustration with this in the places we are used to discussing it, such as Trance Addict.

I have listened to plenty of Goa/Hardstyle/Hardcore stuff before, I tried to like it but it still sounded horribly to me. It is not like I listened to two-three tracks and put a "bad" label on it. Those people who want to find their favorite genre, will find it. I do not agree with the whole "replacement" concept. There were a whole bunch of threads like this in the past, and the whole "McProg" gets beaten to death. They say that "mcprog" is unoriginal, meanwhile, they are being unoriginal in their criticisms. Same old whining. Kind of being hypocritical, isn't it?

P.S. I like your custom title.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw The same can be said for UK Progressive, Or Dutch Progressive?

Not really, because there are similarities among most other global progressive producers that you don't find in the American market. It's a very tight knit sound that has gained its own direction.