all i gotta say is that i would rather listen to the so called "CHEESE" (ex: Ian Van Dahl, MOS, David Guetta, Angel City)
than listen to stupid rap or alternative rock that actually all sound the same.

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Originally posted by calculmore all i gotta say is that i would rather listen to the so called "CHEESE" (ex: Ian Van Dahl, MOS, David Guetta, Angel City) than listen to stupid rap or alternative rock that actually all sound the same.

And those acts such as Ian Van Dahl and the equivalent, they don't sound the same?

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This is a very interesting thread.

It's amusing to see people arguing about things I was complaining about back in 1998.

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Originally posted by Jake Conlon trance may use the big breakdowns, but that is part of trance.

No it's not. Trance didn't start incorporating the anthemic hands-in-the-air ambient washes and snare rolls until 1997. And even then, they weren't very long. Only about 25-30 seconds or so. By 2000, these breakdowns had become a minute long. And now there are breakdowns that are three minutes long.

It's like the people get tired of the same anthem over and over again, so in order to maintain the appeal the producers have to make the breakdowns and the snare rolls longer, louder, and fuller each and every time. Upping to dosage to maintain the high. Bigger anthems, quieter breakdowns, longer snare rolls, faster, higher, more, more more. So ultimately the music is so exalted, so pure, so grandiose, so god-like that it stops behaving like trance.

When will it end? ....when can I again start listening to the music I once loved?

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Originally posted by calculmore stupid rap or alternative rock that actually all sound the same.

that's the same misguided comment that some people who prefer those music styles would make about EDM.

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Originally posted by Ishkur This is a very interesting thread. It's amusing to see people arguing about things I was complaining about back in 1998. No it's not. Trance didn't start incorporating the anthemic hands-in-the-air ambient washes and snare rolls until 1997. And even then, they weren't very long. Only about 25-30 seconds or so. By 2000, these breakdowns had become a minute long. And now there are breakdowns that are three minutes long. It's like the people get tired of the same anthem over and over again, so in order to maintain the appeal the producers have to make the breakdowns and the snare rolls longer, louder, and fuller each and every time. Upping to dosage to maintain the high. Bigger anthems, quieter breakdowns, longer snare rolls, faster, higher, more, more more. So ultimately the music is so exalted, so pure, so grandiose, so god-like that it stops behaving like trance. When will it end? ....when can I again start listening to the music I once loved?

You obviously dont know the tune: Union Jack - Two Full Moons and Trout ( Caspar Pound Mix ) Have a listen to it... check the date it was written.... and then come back and post like you know what you are on about

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Originally posted by twisted its because you probably because your ignorant of other genres and artists. let me ask you this, and dont lie now. Who is your favorite producer.

ignorant to other genres is funny to me... so maybe or maybe not. What does your fav artist/producer have to do with your ability to judge/understand the tracks. Maybe it's you who is closed/narrow minded...

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Originally posted by Ishkur This is a very interesting thread. It's amusing to see people arguing about things I was complaining about back in 1998. No it's not. Trance didn't start incorporating the anthemic hands-in-the-air ambient washes and snare rolls until 1997. And even then, they weren't very long. Only about 25-30 seconds or so. By 2000, these breakdowns had become a minute long. And now there are breakdowns that are three minutes long. It's like the people get tired of the same anthem over and over again, so in order to maintain the appeal the producers have to make the breakdowns and the snare rolls longer, louder, and fuller each and every time. Upping to dosage to maintain the high. Bigger anthems, quieter breakdowns, longer snare rolls, faster, higher, more, more more. So ultimately the music is so exalted, so pure, so grandiose, so god-like that it stops behaving like trance. When will it end? ....when can I again start listening to the music I once loved?

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Yesterday I was at a Trance Classics party with a lot of superstrings/supersaws and I fucking love to hear that kind of music! I LOVE IT!


So...finally got that off my chest!

People who say superstrings and saws are shallow and cheese need to hear those songs in a club, and than form their opinion (Ory)! Because there's nothing as good as hearing all those tracks in a club!

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Originally posted by Ishkur No it's not. Trance didn't start incorporating the anthemic hands-in-the-air ambient washes and snare rolls until 1997. And even then, they weren't very long. Only about 25-30 seconds or so. By 2000, these breakdowns had become a minute long. And now there are breakdowns that are three minutes long.

Forbidden Fruit by PVD on his 1996 album Seven Ways has a breakdown that last for over 4 minutes, and that track is most certainly an anthem track.

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Jam & Spoon's Follow Me (1993) has a super-super long breakdown using primitive saw-waves. Thing is, with that track it's almost done tongue-in-cheek. It's fun.

Breakdowns these days are just too bloody serious. I don't mind a brief interlude here and there but not when it happens all the time and for too long, especially if it doesn't really add anything.

You don't need to take all the rhythm in a song away to introduce a main melody. Plenty of trance back in the day had melodies added while percussion was still going just fine. Even if some percussive elements were faded back for a bit, you'd still have some semblence of rhythm maintained with acid worbles or arpeggiating effects in the background, giving you reason slightly bob your head even if your feet weren't moving.

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You guys remind me of missionaries that try to convert people. Good luck on that.