then she says...

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http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=619206 After the shooting, she said: "A soldier opened the door on the right-hand side. When he saw us, I had the impression that he was upset. I seem to remember him saying, 'Oh shit!' And when more turned up in an armoured car, I had the sensation that they were unhappy about what had happened."

she is saying they didn't try to kill her. it just felt like it. understandable.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=619206

Obviously they didn't want to kill her. If they did, they would've done it there.

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Originally posted by ierxium Obviously they didn't want to kill her. If they did, they would've done it there.

i totally agree.

...but that is not what some of the pundits here (Opus?) and elsewhere are trying to convince others to believe.

Hmm, I've just read a new story from american soldiers. Now they say that the car with the italians slowed down and they started shooting at it because they were afraid it was going to stop and explode. It is also interesting to note that the italians were supposedly not warned that Negroponte was about to drive down the same road, as well as the american soldiers were not informed of the italian mission.

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10-15 secs to fire 300-400 bullets?

bullshit...these guys aren't armed with gattling guns...

Lets do some basic math shall we?

A standard American Army issued M16 hold 20-30 rounds.
Given the rate of fire 650 - 750 rounds per minute (we'll use 700/min in this example) and 15 secs (benefit of the doubt) of hell unleashed, we can determine that from one gun that indeed it's possible that one gun can fire 175 rounds in 15 secs.
But wait!
Given that one M16 only has (again, benefit of the doubt given here) 30 rounds, the magazine would have be changed almost 6 times AND with bullets flying all within the 15 secs.
Even adding another one, two or even 3 soldiers to this sordid senario won't help.

I still stand with the known facts:
- that she's a known anti-Americanist even before she left her country.
- the car doesn't look anything like the story she's spinning.
- 300-400 bullets sounds more like someone who was scared shitless (and should have been) and embelished the story to make it more dramatic in true, journalistic style.
- the irony of the situation (where she obviously took at hit to the political ego) after going to Iraq and actually getting kidnapped...but hey....blame the Americans!

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I knew something was off. The news said that she was shot at. Yet, the Italian government wasn't unbelievably pissed about it.
At that point I thought, hang on, they should be unbelievably pissed about this.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I mean, how stupid can you get?

ohh i'm sure it'll get worse, it always does with bush

Opus good dissection of the US "story". As far as "we didn't know" alibi of the military and General, this is a classic tactic that I predicted would be used sooner or later. When in doubt plead ignorance. Recent examples:

- Rummy (who prides himself as a hands on details man) and the General in charge of Abu Ghraib just didn't know.
- Bush and the whole WMD fiasco.
- Enron CEO Ken Lay claims he was in the dark.
- Worldcom CEO Ebbers "Ebbers himself took the witness stand late in the trial, insisting that he was unfamiliar with the details of accounting and knew nothing about the fraud taking place on his watch."
- Survivor winner Richard Hatch pleading ignorance that he had to pay taxes on his winnings.

I could go on but nobody ever seems to know anything when the shit hits the fan. I doubt we will ever learn the true motives behind the killing.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r 10-15 secs to fire 300-400 bullets? bullshit...these guys aren't armed with gattling guns... Lets do some basic math shall we? A standard American Army issued M16 hold 20-30 rounds. Given the rate of fire 650 - 750 rounds per minute (we'll use 700/min in this example) and 15 secs (benefit of the doubt) of hell unleashed, we can determine that from one gun that indeed it's possible that one gun can fire 175 rounds in 15 secs. But wait! Given that one M16 only has (again, benefit of the doubt given here) 30 rounds, the magazine would have be changed almost 6 times AND with bullets flying all within the 15 secs. Even adding another one, two or even 3 soldiers to this sordid senario won't help. I still stand with the known facts: - that she's a known anti-Americanist even before she left her country. - the car doesn't look anything like the story she's spinning. - 300-400 bullets sounds more like someone who was scared shitless (and should have been) and embelished the story to make it more dramatic in true, journalistic style. - the irony of the situation (where she obviously took at hit to the political ego) after going to Iraq and actually getting kidnapped...but hey....blame the Americans!

They were firing to stop the car traveling towards them at a high rate of speed ignoring all hand signals and warning shots just like a suicidal bomber would do. They fired enough rounds to stop the vehicle in its tracks. Stupid f*cking Italians....


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Originally posted by smokeape They were firing to stop the car traveling towards them at a high rate of speed ignoring all hand signals and warning shots just like a suicidal bomber would do. They fired enough rounds to stop the vehicle in its tracks and then some. Stupid f*cking Italians.... [[[smoke]]]

Sorry to bring this up again, but I randomly stumbled across this ... here are the preliminary findings from the joint US-Italian investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491280

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that sounds like a load of crock. another pathetic cover up.